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1 posted on 01/02/2012 7:12:55 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Well, if you support communists, they will thrive. If we did with the USSR what we do with Red China, the USSR would also be around today.


2 posted on 01/02/2012 7:15:44 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Hojczyk

I really don’t think china will fall to pieces this decade either.


3 posted on 01/02/2012 7:20:55 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Hojczyk

A modern totalitarian state collapses either when its rulers no longer automatically kill even the hint of opposition, or when its economy collapses. China still kills dissidents, and the US is still filling their coffers. No chance the Chicoms are out of power anytime soon.


5 posted on 01/02/2012 7:23:05 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Hojczyk
China is growing, it's us that is shrinking.

China has mastered the hybrid communist state. The people are still not free and essentially slaves to a regime without any input. But you have semi free markets and they allow for foreign investments, technology, business practices and management techniques to come in. Trade and the forces of a free market shape these new economies but the old power brokers simply put themselves on top as CEO of some major state run energy conglomerate such as the Russian Gazprom. The real power brokers remain the same old people as before, they simply become the Kingpins in these new pseudo free economies which you also have in Vietnam, Russia etc. These economies are largely doing fine because unlike the past where they were isolated, ignored supply and demand curves, were to slow to react because everything was planned centralized... they today are often MORE capitalist that the US / Germany or other mixed economies of the West when it comes to dealing with dead firms that aren't making money, or changes in technology or demand based on consumer taste etc. I would bet money that I could take an idea and go to production in China with this idea in less time, with less costs, with less restrictions than in the US.

11 posted on 01/02/2012 7:38:07 PM PST by Red6
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To: Hojczyk

The figurative collapse will be preceded by the literal collapse of the Three Gorges dam.


12 posted on 01/02/2012 7:40:29 PM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Hojczyk

I think it’s only a matter of time before China comes apart under the communists. Time, innovation and the desire for profit is relentless. You can always count on change and with today’s technologies, change happens faster.

I don’t think the younger Chinese are going to be as obedient as their ancestors. I wonder how much North Korea’s existence is dependent on the Chinese. A China undid would create a lot of interesting scenarios.like the breakup of the USSR. China could very well come apart in a similar way.


13 posted on 01/02/2012 7:43:15 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: TigersEye

Pei-Ping.


14 posted on 01/02/2012 7:44:18 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Hojczyk

I think the premise of the book is misplaced.

I do think that China has a rough future but it’s because of the struggle btwn Communism and the people’s ever increasing embrace of free enterprise; the political philosophy is separate from the country itself. Communism in China is dying.

I think this book would be better if its premise were that too many countries allow the birth and growth of a Communistic society. I think that’s what is happening in China and the Commies are on the downside of that growth curve. In the U.S., unfortunately, the Commies may still be on the growth side of the curve with what’s his name at the helm. That equates to a very ugly next 20+ years for the U.S. unless the people are in fact fed up and toss all the Commies out in the upcoming election. We must do all we can to help that happen!


19 posted on 01/02/2012 7:56:21 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Hojczyk

Incorrect again. China is one of the manufacturers designated as such by the rich, globalist masters of the universe, who have outlawed new, small manufacturing starts in most counties and cities of the USA (keeps potential competition—other families, down). China has also established new trade of its products in exchange for natural resources (oil, metals, etc.) from other “developing” (third world) countries.

Many paid propagandists have been harping for over five years now, the feel-good canard that China has begun to collapse. They’ve done so out of fear that higher prices of Chinese goods and freight fuel will slow their import/merchant rackets down. There’s no China collapse, although the collapse of our USA and most of the rest of the West may slow it down a little.

We Americans should get started with some real work again (making useful things), but that’s not likely.


21 posted on 01/02/2012 8:05:56 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Hojczyk
Mr. Chang worked in Red China representing clients in what passes for a legal system. He knows what he talks about and often appears on John Bachelor's radio show covering a variety of things not just Red China.

So many seem to swoon over the marvels of Red China's capitalism. Yes, the Commies are still in control but relax Red China is essentially capitalist now, they assure us.

No it ain't. The last I heard they prefer "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics." Deng, et al. studied and adopted Lenin's New Economic Policy (NEP).

Source

Following the Russian Revolution "War Communism" had total control over the economy leading to such things as shortages of all kinds, particularly food, there were "disgruntled workers, peasant unrest, and open rebellion among the soldiers and sailors stationed on Kronstadt Island, Lenin resolved to reverse direction."

NEP as a "concession to market forces soon led to the denationalization of small-scale industry and services; the establishment of trusts for supplying, financing, and marketing the products of large-scale industry; the stabilization of the currency; and other measures, including the granting of concessions to foreign investors [Lenin called them: useful idiots] . . . the Soviet economy revived . . . [there was] the re-emergence of a 'capitalist' class in both the countryside (the kulaks) and the towns (NEPmen)".

As with all capitalist economies there were ups and downs. There was "anxieties within the party about bourgeois degeneracy and the loss of revolutionary dynamism." Stalin was now in charge and that was the end of NEP, kulaks, and NEPmen.

Deng, et al. regularly consulted with experts including Armand Hammer the wealthy American and owner of Senator Al Gore Sr., at al. Hammer was in Russia during the 1920s.

The Chi-Coms have not and will not make Stalin's mistake. They understand Lenin who noted that NEP had to be pursued "seriously and for a long time."

There have been lots of news about Red China extorting and outright stealing intellectual property, technology, and know how. Once the Chi-Coms are confident that they can provide the innovation needed they will seize the "useful idiots'" property and kick them out with nothing. That's NEP.

I hope the useful idiots are not so dumb to beg Congress for a TARP to compensate them for their losses. We citizens will insist that they be tried for treason in response.

23 posted on 01/02/2012 8:11:10 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Over 150,000 companies in China are state owned. All of the banks are state owned. In many of the most remote counties of the USA, there are zoning laws against any manufacturing on remote, private properties.

Starve the B. Become more self-sufficient, and stop buying.


24 posted on 01/02/2012 8:17:11 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Hojczyk

Under communism, businesses are owned by the government. Under fascism, business can be privately owned but is controlled by the government. The West is one of the two now (overly controlled by monopolies with stated concerns of environmentalism, animal worship, feminism, homosexualism, phony property values excuses, family-busting programs, etc.). China is both.


27 posted on 01/02/2012 8:22:24 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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I think China will begin to have serious problems. Because one of our Freepers has warned that he believes FR is one of the sites the Chinese government monitors, I will not tell you the basis of what I am about to write.

Protests are becoming a bigger problem for the authorities and the army all the time. The Communist Party has released figures--you remember this number has to be low so as to not make the party appear weak--that there are nearly 140 protests daily.

Provision of electricity in the urban areas is a major problem. People who live in the cities live in the same district as the mayor to help alleviate this problem for them personally.

Water and air pollution is a major problems. Daily, in 200 Chinese cities of one million or more, the problem is on going. Of course, the government expects the problem to be under reported so the people will not see weakness in the governmental structures.

The problem of governmental corruption is huge. Students report this may be the biggest problem the government faces.
The population of China is aging, primarily because of the one-child policy. Traditionally, aged parents lived with their children. Who is going to take care of the aging population when they are too old to work? The implications of this for the Chinese army is also staggering.

The gender imbalance is huge. There are currently (again, likely an under-reported figure--119 men for every 100 women because of the one-child policy. That means there will be 40 million men who will never have a chance to marry because there are not enough women to go around. Testosterone is a driving force the army may eventually have to contend with, from men who are sexually frustrated. How peaceful will such confrontations likely be?

While Chinese students in the west are frequently ridiculed for their over-achievement and their push for excellence, the Chinese educational system is woefully inadequate. The Chinese insistence on rote learning as a way of teaching is not fulfilling China's needs. Because of this, China graduates many who are inadequately prepared to compete in the world. Chinese figures--again, likely under-reported--say that only about 15 per cent of graduates from China's technical schools, are employable. So that raises what is to me an interesting question: would you want to be that astronaut that China wants to put on the moon?

And this one, we can learn from: the Chinese government must work hard to keep their immigrant workers employed. The workers are frequently put to work on huge projects that are unimportant and not needed. (Remember the city post on FR that apparently has no one living in it?)

I am no expert.
29 posted on 01/02/2012 8:28:15 PM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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He makes several credible arguments.

I’ve always wondered whether the traditionalist ChiCom leadership will be capable of responding to a rapidly changing population that starts to view itself as entitled to a new kind of global manifest destiny.


30 posted on 01/02/2012 8:58:48 PM PST by bigbob
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Without ever increasing exports China is doomed. The EU was to be the salvation of China. Now the EU is collapsing and cannot buy the shoddy junk China seeks to dump on the world

And to complicate matters further for the Chinese, Africa is becoming hip to their game. There is greater and greater unrest in the African nations regarding the Chinese presence in Africa. China figured that the Africans would go along with their schemes of letting China rip off their resources for pennies because the Chinese were going to be their 'friends' and not treat them like the western powers did.

Well the Chinese have received a rude awakening as Africans now are telling the Chinese to go home and leave Africa alone. The Africans are now seeing that the Chinese are not friends to anyone but other Chinese.

The big rub comes when China looks at the balance sheet and realizes that in order for them to continue growth, they must have access to cheap resources. And nations all over the world are demanding a fair price for their raw materials

China is now between a rock and a hard place as they move into the mid 21th century
31 posted on 01/02/2012 9:08:46 PM PST by Rooivalk
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To: Hojczyk

The capitalization of socialism(communism) has begun..
-OR- the socialization of capitalism its the same thing..

And will continue until people see that socialism is a political disease..
and democracy is the carrier..


Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx


33 posted on 01/02/2012 9:45:55 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Hojczyk

bflr


34 posted on 01/02/2012 11:05:25 PM PST by Captainpaintball (We don't have much time left)
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