Well, if you support communists, they will thrive. If we did with the USSR what we do with Red China, the USSR would also be around today.
I really don’t think china will fall to pieces this decade either.
A modern totalitarian state collapses either when its rulers no longer automatically kill even the hint of opposition, or when its economy collapses. China still kills dissidents, and the US is still filling their coffers. No chance the Chicoms are out of power anytime soon.
China has mastered the hybrid communist state. The people are still not free and essentially slaves to a regime without any input. But you have semi free markets and they allow for foreign investments, technology, business practices and management techniques to come in. Trade and the forces of a free market shape these new economies but the old power brokers simply put themselves on top as CEO of some major state run energy conglomerate such as the Russian Gazprom. The real power brokers remain the same old people as before, they simply become the Kingpins in these new pseudo free economies which you also have in Vietnam, Russia etc. These economies are largely doing fine because unlike the past where they were isolated, ignored supply and demand curves, were to slow to react because everything was planned centralized... they today are often MORE capitalist that the US / Germany or other mixed economies of the West when it comes to dealing with dead firms that aren't making money, or changes in technology or demand based on consumer taste etc. I would bet money that I could take an idea and go to production in China with this idea in less time, with less costs, with less restrictions than in the US.
The figurative collapse will be preceded by the literal collapse of the Three Gorges dam.
I think it’s only a matter of time before China comes apart under the communists. Time, innovation and the desire for profit is relentless. You can always count on change and with today’s technologies, change happens faster.
I don’t think the younger Chinese are going to be as obedient as their ancestors. I wonder how much North Korea’s existence is dependent on the Chinese. A China undid would create a lot of interesting scenarios.like the breakup of the USSR. China could very well come apart in a similar way.
Pei-Ping.
I think the premise of the book is misplaced.
I do think that China has a rough future but it’s because of the struggle btwn Communism and the people’s ever increasing embrace of free enterprise; the political philosophy is separate from the country itself. Communism in China is dying.
I think this book would be better if its premise were that too many countries allow the birth and growth of a Communistic society. I think that’s what is happening in China and the Commies are on the downside of that growth curve. In the U.S., unfortunately, the Commies may still be on the growth side of the curve with what’s his name at the helm. That equates to a very ugly next 20+ years for the U.S. unless the people are in fact fed up and toss all the Commies out in the upcoming election. We must do all we can to help that happen!
Incorrect again. China is one of the manufacturers designated as such by the rich, globalist masters of the universe, who have outlawed new, small manufacturing starts in most counties and cities of the USA (keeps potential competition—other families, down). China has also established new trade of its products in exchange for natural resources (oil, metals, etc.) from other “developing” (third world) countries.
Many paid propagandists have been harping for over five years now, the feel-good canard that China has begun to collapse. They’ve done so out of fear that higher prices of Chinese goods and freight fuel will slow their import/merchant rackets down. There’s no China collapse, although the collapse of our USA and most of the rest of the West may slow it down a little.
We Americans should get started with some real work again (making useful things), but that’s not likely.
So many seem to swoon over the marvels of Red China's capitalism. Yes, the Commies are still in control but relax Red China is essentially capitalist now, they assure us.
No it ain't. The last I heard they prefer "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics." Deng, et al. studied and adopted Lenin's New Economic Policy (NEP).
Following the Russian Revolution "War Communism" had total control over the economy leading to such things as shortages of all kinds, particularly food, there were "disgruntled workers, peasant unrest, and open rebellion among the soldiers and sailors stationed on Kronstadt Island, Lenin resolved to reverse direction."
NEP as a "concession to market forces soon led to the denationalization of small-scale industry and services; the establishment of trusts for supplying, financing, and marketing the products of large-scale industry; the stabilization of the currency; and other measures, including the granting of concessions to foreign investors [Lenin called them: useful idiots] . . . the Soviet economy revived . . . [there was] the re-emergence of a 'capitalist' class in both the countryside (the kulaks) and the towns (NEPmen)".
As with all capitalist economies there were ups and downs. There was "anxieties within the party about bourgeois degeneracy and the loss of revolutionary dynamism." Stalin was now in charge and that was the end of NEP, kulaks, and NEPmen.
Deng, et al. regularly consulted with experts including Armand Hammer the wealthy American and owner of Senator Al Gore Sr., at al. Hammer was in Russia during the 1920s.
The Chi-Coms have not and will not make Stalin's mistake. They understand Lenin who noted that NEP had to be pursued "seriously and for a long time."
There have been lots of news about Red China extorting and outright stealing intellectual property, technology, and know how. Once the Chi-Coms are confident that they can provide the innovation needed they will seize the "useful idiots'" property and kick them out with nothing. That's NEP.
I hope the useful idiots are not so dumb to beg Congress for a TARP to compensate them for their losses. We citizens will insist that they be tried for treason in response.
Over 150,000 companies in China are state owned. All of the banks are state owned. In many of the most remote counties of the USA, there are zoning laws against any manufacturing on remote, private properties.
Starve the B. Become more self-sufficient, and stop buying.
Under communism, businesses are owned by the government. Under fascism, business can be privately owned but is controlled by the government. The West is one of the two now (overly controlled by monopolies with stated concerns of environmentalism, animal worship, feminism, homosexualism, phony property values excuses, family-busting programs, etc.). China is both.
He makes several credible arguments.
I’ve always wondered whether the traditionalist ChiCom leadership will be capable of responding to a rapidly changing population that starts to view itself as entitled to a new kind of global manifest destiny.
The capitalization of socialism(communism) has begun..
-OR- the socialization of capitalism its the same thing..
And will continue until people see that socialism is a political disease..
and democracy is the carrier..
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx
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