Jimmy Hoffa’s Driver Says He Was Buried In Cement Foundations Of GM Headquarters

Pat Dollard ^ | 12/25/11 | Daily Mail

[Nachum]

The disappearance of Teamsters union boss Jimmy Hoffa remains one of America’s most enduring mysteries.

But now, nearly four decades after Hoffa vanished, his driver has claimed he knows where he is buried – and how he got there.

Marvin Elkind said Hoffa was killed by a mob enforcer and buried in the foundations of the towering General Motors’ HQ in Detroit, Michigan.

‘It was his own people who did it,’ Mr Elkind said in excerpts of a new book published in the New York Post, adding Mafia member Tony Jack insinuated he was responsible.

[stylin19a]

Frank Fitzsimmons. He was suppose to keep the Teamsters president seat warm until Hoffa returned.
Fitz liked being president and worked with Nixon to get Hoffa barred from returning. Hoffa disappeared July 1975 and Fitz was reelected June 76

[aruanan]

"I read once that his body was stuffed in a 55 gallon drum and filled with concrete."

At a guess at 250 pounds, there would be 50 gallons of Jimmy, and 5 gallons of cement. This wouldn't reliably sink.

At 250 pounds and at 0.80 water by composition, Jimmy was about 200 pounds of water. A gallon of water weighs 8.34 pounds. So the water in Jimmy was equal to about 23.98 gallons or less than half the volume of a 55 gallon drum. If we figured that Jimmy was 50% fat, then this means that his non-fat body mass (a density of 1.1 X that of water) was equal to his fat mass (a density of 0.90 X that of water). The two together would make for a density of 1.0 (125 X 1.1 + 125 X 0.9)/250 = 1), that is, equal to water.

Jimmy's total volume wouldn't be more than a little more than about half the volume of the 55 gallon drum. Say that he took up as much space as 30 gallons of water, that would leave space for 25 gallons of concrete. A gallon of concrete is about 17.97 pounds. 25 gallons of concrete will weigh 449.25 pounds. That, plus 250 pounds of Jimmy's weight, equal 639 pounds. So 55 gallons containing 250 pounds of Jimmy and 449.25 pounds of concrete has a density of 1.52 (12.71 pounds per gallon /8.34 pounds per gallon). Consider that a 55 gallon drum filled with water (at a density of 1.0) will readily sink because the drum weighs about 40 pounds. Jimmy's drum fill with Jimmy and concrete at a density of 1.52 plus the 40 pounds of steel is going to go down pretty fast.

[Pharmboy]

That place has been gone for a years now. It’s a parking lot now for MetLife Stadium that was built next to it.

[norwaypinesavage]

Your analysis assumes Jimmy was either freeze dried, or some other means was used to remove the water. That would be quite a feat. I vote for the spot on my floor.

[Red Badger]

That would be quite a feat

Not for the meat packing industry which is notoriously mafia controlled union at the time..................

[WOBBLY BOB]

most likely Kenny Christianson. Former NWA steward .A guy with airborne training and a beef with the airline.

http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2011/08/04/7257905-the-25-best-reasons-kenny-christiansen-could-be-skyjacker-db-cooper

[aruanan]

Your analysis assumes Jimmy was either freeze dried, or some other means was used to remove the water. That would be quite a feat. I vote for the spot on my floor.

What in the world are you talking about freeze drying? A chunk of a person's body is about 80% water. Non-fat body mass is 1.1 times the density of water. Fat mass is 0.9 times the density of water. The average density of a person that is 50% body fat (and there's no way in the world Jimmy was 50% body far--I know because I've had people in a metabolic study of mine who were 50% body fat), is 1.0, the same as water. If a 250 pound Jimmy Hoffa was 50% body fat, he would be, pound for pound, as dense as water. If a person is as dense as water, this means that his total volume is not going to differ from the total volume of an equal weight of water. So a 250 pound man with a body composition of 50% lean body mass and 50% fat mass equaling a body density of 1.0 is going to take up as much volume as 250 pounds of water which also has a density of 1.0.

A gallon of water weighs about 8.34 pounds. A 55 gallon drum will contain (8.34 X 55) 458.7 pounds of water. 250 pounds of dead Jimmy at a density of 1, same as water, will be equal to (250lb/8.34lb/gallon) about 30 gallons. Fill the remaining space in the drum, 25 gallons, with concrete. Concrete weighs about 150 pounds per cubic foot. A gallon of water weighs about 8.34 pounds. A cubic foot of water contains about 7.5 gallons of water or 62.55 pounds of water. A gallon of concrete, therefore, weighs 150/62.55 or 2.4 times a gallon of water. So the remaining 25 gallons filled with concrete will weigh 25 (the number of gallons) X 8.34 (the pounds per gallon of water) X 2.4 (the multiplier for concrete compared to water) or about 500 pounds. Jimmy, at 250 pounds, plus the 500 pounds of concrete that could fit in the remaining volume of a 55 gallon drum, would equal 750 pounds. 55 gallons of water equal 458.7 pounds. A 55 gallon drum of water will sink because the drum itself weighs about 40 pounds. So the density of a 55 gallon drum filled with water has a density a little over one (498.7/458.7= ~1.09). It will sink. A 55 gallon drum containing a 250 pound Jimmy and the remaining volume filled with concrete would weigh about 750 pounds. The density of this compared to that of a water-filled drum is about 1.5 (750/498.7= 1.503).

If a 55 gallon drum of water will sink, then a 55 gallon drum with 1.5 times the density will sink with no problem at all.

[Wiggins]

I’m well aware of that thank you.

[NY Attitude]

Jimmy Hoffa, a pillar in society. Who would have thought it?

[Pharmboy]

Hard to tell from your original post, but you’re welcome anyway.

[Wiggins]

That’s because you don’t know how to read. I simply stated something that was often said about where Hoffa was buried. Not about what’s there now. No one likes a know it all and I’m starting to not like you either.

[Pharmboy]

Are you an insecure guy?

Not everyone is a football fan and although a lot of people had heard about Hoffa being buried in the Giants' stadium end zone, there are probably millions of people in these United States who had NO IDEA that Giants Stadium was torn down while MetLife Stadium was being built next to it. I imagine even some football fans in Boise or Seattle don't know that the original Giants Stadium was torn down (and why should they know or care?). So, I thought--since you did not write anything in your post about Giants Stadium not existing anymore--that you just may be one of those millions who was not aware of that fact.

At any rate, I shall try and get over your growing dislike for me and muddle on...have a happy new year!

[Billthedrill]

Anyone who owns a crematorium can make a body go away. You don’t need to bury it in concrete. And yes, the Mob has known about this for a very long time.

[Keith in Iowa]

>>>I always thought he was here.

I take it you’ve never watched the Mythbuster’s episode on the subject...

[Wiggins]

How do you know what I watch?

[Mr. K]

i dont know about that

jump into a pool holding a 5 gallon pail of hardened cement and see if you can stay afloat

[Wiggins]

I don’t like you either.