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Complete title: Virginia 2011 Independent Candidate for Legislature has Big Impact on 2012 Presidential Primary

Any Virginia freepers know about this Michael Osborne court case?

I don't know if this is true. If it is, Gingrich and Perry have a legitimate case for having their names placed on the ballot.

1 posted on 12/25/2011 4:41:11 PM PST by smoothsailing
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FYI. I don’t know if this is newsworthy or not, but if true it may be helpful to the Gingrich and Perry campaigns.


2 posted on 12/25/2011 4:43:36 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

If this report is true, then every single argument from the “rules are rules” crowd is totally blown out of the water. Every single one of them.

And yes- if this report is true - then Newt and Perry would certainly have a case and maybe the others as well.


3 posted on 12/25/2011 4:44:20 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: smoothsailing

The other question is: What purpose does the Virginia ballot access process serve (the answer is obvious)? Other states only require registration and the payment of fee.


6 posted on 12/25/2011 4:49:50 PM PST by TBBT
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Virginia May Have Improperly Excluded Signatures From Perry, Gingrich. a Recount May Be Needed!

http://www.varight.com/news/virginia-may-have-improperly-excluded-signatures-from-perry-gingrich-a-recount-may-be-needed/


21 posted on 12/25/2011 5:22:40 PM PST by Josh Painter ("The only thing these 'investments' will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy." - Palin)
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I’m no fan of Romney, Gingrich, or Perry.

That the Gingrich and Perry organizations didn’t bother to collect signatures to the level where they could stand scrutiny (and that’s the name of the game for petitions like this) regardless of the Osborne case.

It bugs me that McDonnell doesn’t weigh in and that he can be seen as possibly not being even-handed.


25 posted on 12/25/2011 5:31:20 PM PST by RFEngineer
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“Oh, gee, we didn’t know the state party changed the policy because they got sued!”

So? That’s exactly the reason you have state and local campaign organizations. So that you have folks who know the area, know the players, and keep abreast of what’s happening in the area that might affect the campaign. That’s exactly the reason you pay lawyers good money. So that you have folks who keep an eye on the election statutes and case law and regs. So that you know stuff like this is coming down before the filing deadline and send guys out to get more sigs. So that you’re NOT standing there with your thumb up your bum after you get disqualified going “waitwutthatain’tfayerrrrrr...” Things like that are exactly the boring minutiae you need to take care of if you’re running a serious campaign. You know, the kind of thing That Woman was getting hazed pretty mercilessly around here for not getting handled. Well, what were the “serious” campaigns doing all those months? Because it really doesn’t appear as if they were getting prepared to handle it, either.

Stuff like this doesn’t really make me think “Oh, you poor things, your candidates got screwed.” No, it makes me think “I already thought your guys were sloppy. Now I think they’re complete flippin’ amateurs.”


29 posted on 12/25/2011 5:36:43 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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The VA GOP published a letter that announced that any candidate who submitted a petition with more than 15,000 signatures would not be checked (’shall be deemed to have met the threshold for qualification and will be certified’).

The letter is at http://www.rpv.org/sites/default/files/2012%20Petition%20Certification%20Process_1.pdf

Romney submitted 16,000 signatures. Newt submitted 12,000.

I am curious to know when the VA GOP invented the 15K Safe Harbor rule. The letter from the VA GOP is undated (which is itself curious). The PDF file contains a hidden Microsoft Word creation date of 12/21/2011.


33 posted on 12/25/2011 5:45:45 PM PST by Gideon7
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This is the undated letter.
34 posted on 12/25/2011 5:47:38 PM PST by Gideon7
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Why wouldn’t they check signatures?


35 posted on 12/25/2011 5:50:24 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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38 posted on 12/25/2011 5:55:53 PM PST by Gideon7
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39 posted on 12/25/2011 5:59:29 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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This was changed in May however there is precedent in VA for the court overruling the State Board of Elections rules to allow candidates on the ballot. This is not over.


43 posted on 12/25/2011 6:03:47 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: smoothsailing
Snicker.

Bunch of effin professional election law professors on the threads yesterday.

Seems like some pigs are more equal, eh?

45 posted on 12/25/2011 6:04:19 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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If so, Gingrich and Perry should be on the ballot.
58 posted on 12/25/2011 6:23:25 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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What a mess.

Obambi will get a second term because of stuff like this, and I think the GOP wants him to.


68 posted on 12/25/2011 6:30:00 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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If in the past signatures were not check and the GOP did not instruct that the procedure this time would change before Newt’s committee collected them then he a case. Virginia GOP responsibility was to inform all candidates of the new rule so the new procedure could be followed. This stinks to hell and smells like a conspiracy..


70 posted on 12/25/2011 6:30:48 PM PST by Logical me
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"Bob! This is Mitt! My boys heard about that Osborne court case you've got down there in Virginia. Listen, we'll be happy to help you verify all those petitions. [chuckle] Oh yeah, we've got 15,000, signed, sealed, and delivered! Good, good!"


82 posted on 12/25/2011 6:48:55 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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An independent only has to have a hundred or so. And legitimate candidates have to have 10,000. Virginia you have a problem.


96 posted on 12/25/2011 7:07:26 PM PST by marty60
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Is this enough ground for letting Newt & Perry? I mean, if the rule is there, that the previous administration didn’t check it doesn’t negate the current checking, does it? Isn’t it like we complain when the bouncer starts to look at the IDs?


113 posted on 12/25/2011 7:48:06 PM PST by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car - he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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By now, I just equate the bunch of them to the Keystone Kops.

I have NEVER been so disappointed in potential candidates! They are making all of us laughingstocks and are going to give this country completely over to the dark forces (no pun intended!).

I am...in a word...disgusted!

Period


135 posted on 12/25/2011 8:28:07 PM PST by luvie (This tagline reserved for a hero.......)
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