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Errant Bullet Travels 1.5 Miles, Kills Amish Girl
WLWT ^ | 12:01 pm EST December 20, 2011 | WLWT

Posted on 12/20/2011 9:38:28 AM PST by TSgt

FREDERICKSBURG, Ohio -- An Ohio sheriff says a man cleaning his muzzle-loading rifle accidentally shot and killed a 15-year-old Amish girl driving a horse-drawn buggy more than a mile away.

Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zimmerly said Tuesday that the accident occurred Thursday night when a man fired his loaded rifle to clean it. He says the victim, Rachel Yoder of Fredericksburg, was nearly 1.5 miles away when she was shot in the head.

No charges have been filed.

Yoder was shot while traveling to her home in adjacent Wayne County, between Columbus and Akron. She was riding alone after attending a Christmas party for employees, most under 18 years old, who work at an Amish produce farm.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: amish; banglist; bullet; crime; ohio; rachelyoder; shooting; yoder
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To: X-FID

Muzzle-loader does not equal smooth bore, rifled versions have been around for 150 years.


241 posted on 12/20/2011 7:56:05 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

>> “As an aside, I never thought of muzzle loaders as being able to fire that far.” <<

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So think a little more!

A muzzle loader can use a huge powder charge, and at the optimum trajectory can travel about 3 miles. Especially the long guns.


242 posted on 12/20/2011 8:05:16 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: X-FID
Just out of curiousity, and perhaps a little scientific study,

If I had my .45 auto, and a box of cartridges, how many yards out would you feel safe standing while I emptied magazine after magazine in your general direction?

Strictly hypothetical you understand.

243 posted on 12/20/2011 8:07:56 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Retired COB

>> “so unless you’re aiming up at a 45 degree angle...” <<

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37 1/2 degrees is optimum, and a .50 long gun can easily shoot that far.


244 posted on 12/20/2011 8:11:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: X-FID

The Kentucky was first developed in the 1740s to 1750s and was a rifled muzzle loaded weapon. So are you saying that you have only heard of smooth bore muzzle-loaders?


245 posted on 12/20/2011 8:13:57 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: mamelukesabre

It didn’t say it was a smooth bore.


246 posted on 12/20/2011 8:16:16 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: X-FID
Caliber 	Weight/Type 	
MuzzleVelocity (ft/s) Maximum Range (yd) Velocity at Impact (ft/s)
.22 Long Rifle 	40 gr RN 	1255 	2000 	300
.223 Remington 	55 gr SP BT 	3240 	3875 	545
30-06* Springfield 	180 gr  2700 	5675 	800
9mm Luger 	124 gr RN 	1120 	2400 	350
45 ACP 	230 gr RN 	        850 	1800 	330
44 Magnum 	240 gr FP 	1760 	2500 	350

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DomnaAntoniadis.shtml


247 posted on 12/20/2011 8:17:10 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: X-FID

Try looking up exterior ballistics on that round 230 gr FMJ 850 FPS, and see what the retained velocity is at 100, 300, 500, and 1,000 yds.

Slow moving bullets can be very dangerous when they have enough MASS behind them.

And, yes, I do know what I am talking about. If you are interested in facts instead of bluster, you can start your education on the subject here:

http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexplained/5th/36.cfm


248 posted on 12/20/2011 8:41:32 PM PST by wrench
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To: mylife
Smooth bore???


249 posted on 12/20/2011 8:46:46 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: ex91B10

It doesn’t say.


250 posted on 12/20/2011 8:51:02 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dangerdoc

Sure they have.


251 posted on 12/20/2011 8:51:17 PM PST by X-FID
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To: X-FID

Any reason to rifle for a a ball, LOL.


252 posted on 12/20/2011 8:52:41 PM PST by X-FID
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To: going hot

Well strictly hypothetical, I wouldn’t allow that to happen, but if it did and I had a rifle, you wouldn’t scare me at all:)


253 posted on 12/20/2011 8:57:46 PM PST by X-FID
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To: wrench

Sorry wiki stuff not my style.


254 posted on 12/20/2011 9:00:05 PM PST by X-FID
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To: dangerdoc
Rifling has easily been around 2x that long, likely first used for hunting in the mid-15th century.

Until the breech and cartridge loaders were invented everything was muzzle-loaded, be it cannon, blunderbuss, musket, rifle.

255 posted on 12/20/2011 9:00:45 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: X-FID
Just fyi, the range is in the neighborhood of a couple thousand yards, give or take a hundred, for that measley .45 you mentioned, held at an angle of approximately 33 degrees. Rifles are sometimes double or more of that.

It is based on muzzle velocity, weight, and actual shape of the projectile, in slicing though the air.

So, yeah, if you had a rifle, I could expect indirect harrassment fire from you a couple miles away.

Naturally your odds of actually hitting me would be low, more because of the difficulty in aiming and doping the wind at those diastances, than the ability of the round to travel that far.

256 posted on 12/20/2011 9:05:12 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: X-FID

Are you drunk?


257 posted on 12/20/2011 9:08:52 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: going hot

If I could even see you from that distance, give me a break. Your full of shit. So are your buddies.


258 posted on 12/20/2011 9:09:35 PM PST by X-FID
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

You would be correct, I was thinking about the Minie ball round.


259 posted on 12/20/2011 9:11:16 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

Why you ask? Not at all, just comparing notes, that’s all.


260 posted on 12/20/2011 9:12:19 PM PST by X-FID
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