Guard Unit Refusing to Answer if They Would Use Lethal Force Against American People.

You may want to weigh in on this one too.

81 posted on 12/08/2011 8:09:06 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)

To: Arrowhead1952

Thanks. Yours is pretty good too.

82 posted on 12/08/2011 9:05:40 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")

To: George Varnum; All

This is Bogus I don’t believe a word of it.. An assembly of 3 NG (national guard) companies which are units scattered within a state and assigned to a batttalion which is assigned to a larger unit, a regiment or division of what I assume to be infantry . This would take some doing just to organize.

An exercisize such as this could only be held in a camp or “fort” training site location during a regulated training exercize. While I would not put it past this regime to try something like this if they did word would get out ... If you have the “proof” cite the units involved and when this happened ...

China or perhaps Russia would pull this off but thank God we have not yet arrived at that point here in the country. .BTW The NG units sent to Kent State thought they were being fired upon...They probably were ... They should have shot the profs who were egging the mush heads on...

83 posted on 12/08/2011 11:42:59 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Moses ..A nick name I received as a kid for warning another -It's a sin to tell a lie")

Yours is pretty good too.

Thanks. It will be changing to "retired military" at the end of the year.

84 posted on 12/09/2011 5:28:36 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)

To: George Varnum

85 posted on 12/09/2011 6:17:09 AM PST by phockthis

What you said.

This sounds like "meme implantation" by someone trying to discredit the OK. Last time around, it was Marines in California that got this "survey".

86 posted on 12/09/2011 6:26:18 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)

To: George Varnum

Variants of this keep popping up.

Methinks there’s a subset of any sociopolitical group which acts as a resonance chamber, keeping appealing stories alive forever regardless of facts.

87 posted on 12/09/2011 6:29:49 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)

To: George Varnum

Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:51 AM

Subject: Army needing Civilian Camp Detainment personnel - Halliburton camp needs

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-07/news/30485067_1_command-and-control-custody-operation
http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/internment-resettlement-specialist.html

I emailed all of you last week about the Federal Government about to pass Military detainment of U.S. Citizens without one single rights of the U.S. Citizens. The bill says a U.S. citizen can be held without trial, charges, or rights to a lawyer for the rest of their lives.

Above is an article showing how the Army is advertising for that Detainment program now. I have to ask all of you something. What happens if you do something that the Federal government doesn’t like? What happens if there is some bill you want to pass for the State of Tennessee and the Federal Government considers it some form of terrorism against their control? I am very serious about this.

There is no limit on what the government can consider is terrorism against it. Any individual that is belligerent can be considered a terrorist. So does that mean you as State Elected Officials passing a new bill that protects the citizens of the State of Tennessee, the Federal government will see that as you being belligerent?

Do you think there is no chance that you too could be taken to a Detainment camp by the military?

Do you understand that the bill is about to go through that literally takes away every one of the State of Tennessee’s citizens rights? Do you understand that is also takes away the State of Tennessee as it’s own State rights?

Once this is allowed then there is no stopping the Federal Government from taking away the individual rights that have been passed in the State of Tennessee.

I am asking once more for the elected officials for the State of Tennessee to please look at how the Constitution will be no more and to pass a bill that states Tennessee is a Sovereign State of the United States but the Citizens of Tennessee have the rights of the Constitution in FULL with ALL rights!

Please make a stand for the Citizens of Tennessee, be the first and the other States will follow!

Please see this document from Halliburton’s subsidiary asking for subcontractors for the Detainment camps and providing food etc that just went out.

It is attached to the email - it spells out what is needed and how the detainment camps are getting ready in Full force.

One other thing, you do realize this is what happened in Nazi Germany, right? The Nazi military simply began taking the citizens and putting them in concentration camps without any rights. You do realize this is about to happen in the U.S?

The evidence is provided, this is real. Are you going to let the Citizens of the State of Tennessee be thrown in Concentration Camps without rights?

Are you going to stand up for the Citizens of Tennessee and excerpt the rights of the State living by the Constitution of which we are suppose to have?

There is no more time left, please take action immediately against the concentration camps for the U.S. Citizens, please pass a bill as you have in the past that said if Martial law is declared the Citizens of Tennessee could not have their weapons confiscated. Tennessee needs to now pass a law that the U.S. military will have no right to detain a Tennessee Citizen as per the Constitutional rights of all Citizens.

Sincerely,
Sherrie
A citizen of the United States and Tennessee

FYI - I had downloaded this document from SHTF and attached it to the email to them - which is the Halliburton document requesting contractors for all kinds of things needed at the U.S. Concentration camps.

-—— Original Message -—— From: Sherrie

88 posted on 12/09/2011 6:43:49 AM PST by phockthis

To: Jemian; little jeremiah

This wasn’t a rumor, it is from John Grooms, a campaign staffer.

On the way to the rally on Saturday Cain fully planned to stay in it, but he received a phone call that his grandchildren received death threats and that was the final straw. Gloria was very much supportive of him, and it was HER idea to start the Women for Cain which had launched the day before.

(Source - at the 40 minute mark) http://my.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundharddrive/2011/12/06/cain-coast-to-coast

89 posted on 12/09/2011 8:35:28 AM PST by justsaynomore

To: justsaynomore

Great! Thank you for the confirmation and the documentation. I was very, very upset when Mr. Cain withdrew. I am still upset.

90 posted on 12/09/2011 9:39:44 AM PST by Jemian

To: justsaynomore

Wasn’t it about 2 weeks prior to Cain’s capitulation he had Secret Service Security granted to him?
Apparently there were some credible threats against him even back then, as none of the other Candidates IIRC got SS details.

You might recall as to how early on in the campaign he made some statement to the effect that he would not appoint a Muslim to his Cabinet, and shortly thereafter made a retraction and apologized profusely.
I suspect that he rubbed the Caliphate the wrong way, and you know how Muslims get when you “offend” them.

It’s probably just as well that the “Bimbo eruptions” finally got to his campaign and derailed the Cain train (among other factors, such as his stumbling of foreign affairs in various debates and interviews) as I have little doubt that had he continued in a front runner status he never would have lived to see the nomination.

When they start going after your Grand children, they are usually either Muslims or Drug cartels - neither one of which is to be messed with lightly.

Cain never lacked for enemies, and at least some of them obviously intended to play for keeps.

91 posted on 12/09/2011 10:40:24 AM PST by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)

To: justsaynomore

Thank you for the details, justsaynomore. What kind of country are we living in where good candidates are driven out of the race because of death threats? Where the FBI is corrupted? Where there is no protection? This is so hateful and disgusting, I am not surprised, since Cain and his wife seemed able to overcome the personal smear attacks.

I greatly fear what is coming our way.

92 posted on 12/09/2011 11:19:58 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)

Marines in CA DID get the survey, in 1994.

93 posted on 12/09/2011 11:22:18 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)

“The National Guard requires its members take an oath saying that they will defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The Constitution gives Congress the power to call up the militia to execute the laws of the union and to suppress rebellion. If the National Guardsman isn't willing to do their duty as soldiers under the Constitution then maybe they shouldn't be National Guardsmen”

Exactly the point. If the lethal force against American citizens that are trying to overthrow the Constitution - then the National Guardsmen have a duty to suppress rebellion.

If the order from on high is an illegal order under the Constitution - then they have a duty to disobey that order.

94 posted on 12/09/2011 11:40:28 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)

To: George Varnum

If you listen to that whole interview, John describes how Cain’s appearances were markedly changed. Rather than shake hands and hug as Cain loved to do, he had to keep a distance and could not enter an area until bomb sniffing dogs were walked through, then he was walked in flanked and shielded with secret service.

What a sad world we live in.

And yes, boy does he have enemies:

Muslims/Radical Islamists (he even had Iranian governement criticising him)

Obama, Emmanuel and his cronies

Hillary and her cadre

Establishment GOP/Rove et al

IRS, EPA, NEA

Abortion activists

Gay/Lesbian activists

And many more.

His enemies list should have made everyone here stand up for him.

I still plan to vote for him in the primaries - let him reject it if he doesn’t want it. I refuse to let ANYONE pick my candidate (yes I will vote for the GOP candidate in the general, unless Palin runs as an independent, I will vote for her)

95 posted on 12/09/2011 11:42:29 AM PST by justsaynomore

To: little jeremiah

I was IN the Marine IN 1994. I received no such survey.

96 posted on 12/09/2011 12:05:30 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)

The commies shot first? There is pretty good evidence of a provocateur.

I’m dead certain that troops WILL shoot back. They might not start anything, but they WILL finish it, no matter who they’re shooting at.

97 posted on 12/09/2011 12:15:19 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)

From what I’ve read it was just in one location, So. CA, maybe 27 Palms? Were you in So CA in 1994?

98 posted on 12/09/2011 12:53:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)

To: George Varnum

The Oathkeepers site is down now.

99 posted on 12/09/2011 1:00:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)

To: little jeremiah

El Toro. Now try and track down someone from 29 Stumps who actually took it.

No. Not someone who knows someone whose Uncle got an email that his janitors step-son told him about. Someone who actually took the survey.

Take your time. We'll wait.

100 posted on 12/09/2011 1:03:54 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)

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