Posted on 12/08/2011 2:41:37 PM PST by George Varnum
...3 companies of infantry were polled by questionnaire about the drill and its purpose. One of the questions was, will you as a member of the Nat. Guard use lethal force against the American public if ordered to do so? One of the men stepped forward and refused to take the poll and explained that it was a moral judgement on his part and that he could not do so. He then placed his weapon on the ground and fell in behind the formation. Devon said it was like a waterfall, Every member layed their weapons on the deck and fell in beside the one lone specialist. ...
(Excerpt) Read more at oathkeepers.org ...
You may want to weigh in on this one too.
Thanks. Yours is pretty good too.
This is Bogus I don’t believe a word of it.. An assembly of 3 NG (national guard) companies which are units scattered within a state and assigned to a batttalion which is assigned to a larger unit, a regiment or division of what I assume to be infantry . This would take some doing just to organize.
An exercisize such as this could only be held in a camp or “fort” training site location during a regulated training exercize. While I would not put it past this regime to try something like this if they did word would get out ... If you have the “proof” cite the units involved and when this happened ...
China or perhaps Russia would pull this off but thank God we have not yet arrived at that point here in the country. .BTW The NG units sent to Kent State thought they were being fired upon...They probably were ... They should have shot the profs who were egging the mush heads on...
Thanks. It will be changing to "retired military" at the end of the year.
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This sounds like "meme implantation" by someone trying to discredit the OK. Last time around, it was Marines in California that got this "survey".
Variants of this keep popping up.
Methinks there’s a subset of any sociopolitical group which acts as a resonance chamber, keeping appealing stories alive forever regardless of facts.
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:51 AM
Subject: Army needing Civilian Camp Detainment personnel - Halliburton camp needs
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-07/news/30485067_1_command-and-control-custody-operation
http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/internment-resettlement-specialist.html
I emailed all of you last week about the Federal Government about to pass Military detainment of U.S. Citizens without one single rights of the U.S. Citizens. The bill says a U.S. citizen can be held without trial, charges, or rights to a lawyer for the rest of their lives.
Above is an article showing how the Army is advertising for that Detainment program now. I have to ask all of you something. What happens if you do something that the Federal government doesn’t like? What happens if there is some bill you want to pass for the State of Tennessee and the Federal Government considers it some form of terrorism against their control? I am very serious about this.
There is no limit on what the government can consider is terrorism against it. Any individual that is belligerent can be considered a terrorist. So does that mean you as State Elected Officials passing a new bill that protects the citizens of the State of Tennessee, the Federal government will see that as you being belligerent?
Do you think there is no chance that you too could be taken to a Detainment camp by the military?
Do you understand that the bill is about to go through that literally takes away every one of the State of Tennessee’s citizens rights? Do you understand that is also takes away the State of Tennessee as it’s own State rights?
Once this is allowed then there is no stopping the Federal Government from taking away the individual rights that have been passed in the State of Tennessee.
I am asking once more for the elected officials for the State of Tennessee to please look at how the Constitution will be no more and to pass a bill that states Tennessee is a Sovereign State of the United States but the Citizens of Tennessee have the rights of the Constitution in FULL with ALL rights!
Please make a stand for the Citizens of Tennessee, be the first and the other States will follow!
Please see this document from Halliburton’s subsidiary asking for subcontractors for the Detainment camps and providing food etc that just went out.
It is attached to the email - it spells out what is needed and how the detainment camps are getting ready in Full force.
One other thing, you do realize this is what happened in Nazi Germany, right? The Nazi military simply began taking the citizens and putting them in concentration camps without any rights. You do realize this is about to happen in the U.S?
The evidence is provided, this is real. Are you going to let the Citizens of the State of Tennessee be thrown in Concentration Camps without rights?
Are you going to stand up for the Citizens of Tennessee and excerpt the rights of the State living by the Constitution of which we are suppose to have?
There is no more time left, please take action immediately against the concentration camps for the U.S. Citizens, please pass a bill as you have in the past that said if Martial law is declared the Citizens of Tennessee could not have their weapons confiscated. Tennessee needs to now pass a law that the U.S. military will have no right to detain a Tennessee Citizen as per the Constitutional rights of all Citizens.
Sincerely,
Sherrie
A citizen of the United States and Tennessee
FYI - I had downloaded this document from SHTF and attached it to the email to them - which is the Halliburton document requesting contractors for all kinds of things needed at the U.S. Concentration camps.
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This wasn’t a rumor, it is from John Grooms, a campaign staffer.
On the way to the rally on Saturday Cain fully planned to stay in it, but he received a phone call that his grandchildren received death threats and that was the final straw. Gloria was very much supportive of him, and it was HER idea to start the Women for Cain which had launched the day before.
(Source - at the 40 minute mark) http://my.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundharddrive/2011/12/06/cain-coast-to-coast
Great! Thank you for the confirmation and the documentation. I was very, very upset when Mr. Cain withdrew. I am still upset.
Wasn’t it about 2 weeks prior to Cain’s capitulation he had Secret Service Security granted to him?
Apparently there were some credible threats against him even back then, as none of the other Candidates IIRC got SS details.
You might recall as to how early on in the campaign he made some statement to the effect that he would not appoint a Muslim to his Cabinet, and shortly thereafter made a retraction and apologized profusely.
I suspect that he rubbed the Caliphate the wrong way, and you know how Muslims get when you “offend” them.
It’s probably just as well that the “Bimbo eruptions” finally got to his campaign and derailed the Cain train (among other factors, such as his stumbling of foreign affairs in various debates and interviews) as I have little doubt that had he continued in a front runner status he never would have lived to see the nomination.
When they start going after your Grand children, they are usually either Muslims or Drug cartels - neither one of which is to be messed with lightly.
Cain never lacked for enemies, and at least some of them obviously intended to play for keeps.
Thank you for the details, justsaynomore. What kind of country are we living in where good candidates are driven out of the race because of death threats? Where the FBI is corrupted? Where there is no protection? This is so hateful and disgusting, I am not surprised, since Cain and his wife seemed able to overcome the personal smear attacks.
I greatly fear what is coming our way.
Marines in CA DID get the survey, in 1994.
Exactly the point. If the lethal force against American citizens that are trying to overthrow the Constitution - then the National Guardsmen have a duty to suppress rebellion.
If the order from on high is an illegal order under the Constitution - then they have a duty to disobey that order.
If you listen to that whole interview, John describes how Cain’s appearances were markedly changed. Rather than shake hands and hug as Cain loved to do, he had to keep a distance and could not enter an area until bomb sniffing dogs were walked through, then he was walked in flanked and shielded with secret service.
What a sad world we live in.
And yes, boy does he have enemies:
Muslims/Radical Islamists (he even had Iranian governement criticising him)
Obama, Emmanuel and his cronies
Hillary and her cadre
Establishment GOP/Rove et al
IRS, EPA, NEA
Abortion activists
Gay/Lesbian activists
And many more.
His enemies list should have made everyone here stand up for him.
I still plan to vote for him in the primaries - let him reject it if he doesn’t want it. I refuse to let ANYONE pick my candidate (yes I will vote for the GOP candidate in the general, unless Palin runs as an independent, I will vote for her)
I was IN the Marine IN 1994. I received no such survey.
The commies shot first? There is pretty good evidence of a provocateur.
I’m dead certain that troops WILL shoot back. They might not start anything, but they WILL finish it, no matter who they’re shooting at.
From what I’ve read it was just in one location, So. CA, maybe 27 Palms? Were you in So CA in 1994?
The Oathkeepers site is down now.
No. Not someone who knows someone whose Uncle got an email that his janitors step-son told him about. Someone who actually took the survey.
Take your time. We'll wait.
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