Bill O’Reilly On New Allegation: ‘I Don’t Think Herman Cain Can Survive Any More Of This’

Mediaite ^ | Nov.28, 2011 | Frances Martel

[Free ThinkerNY]

While Newt Gingrich‘s unexpected rise to the top of the Republican primary ladder had taken the spotlight off of the numerous sexual allegations against Herman Cain for some time, but that problem came barreling back into headlines today as Cain himself broke the news of a new accusation: a thirteen-year affair.

On tonight’s Factor, Bill O’Reilly had some pessimistic remarks on the matter, wondering whether “Herman Cain can survive any more of this.”

Joined by panelists Leslie Marshall and Janine Turner, O’Reilly noted that on his program they were “not going to get into this,” meaning the details of the affair, but did note it “is a legitimate question” whether “Herman Cain can survive any more of this.”

The panelists expressed the same concern, as Turner noted that “especially in a conservative race, it’s going to be tough,” but that “we’ve had wonderful leaders throughout the course of our history that were great thinkers… that had affairs.”

Marshall had a more optimistic approach, noting that things look bad but “between now and November 2012 is a lifetime in politics.”

[varina davis]

I agree with most of what you say, but fail to understand why a true conservative (such as a Goldwater conservative) would not consider Rick Perry’s credentials in this race.

I’m also surprised that conservative Freepers are allowing the MSM to tell them the race is between Newt and Romney (Cain is no longer viable of course, nor is Paul).

It would be almost amusing if not such a serious time in history for an election.

[Exton1]

But, But, Clinton said it was just sex and private. So why isn’t it?

[wardaddy]

You may not be guilty of anything CNN but the progression here has been:

Uber Sarah Palin zealots who were scorched earth on any criticism and who attacked Bachmann and Perry when they had traction to pave the way for Sarah here.

Now I'd reckon 80% of that same bunch have gone to Cain and have watched him stumble on many fronts and are now in full throttle offensive on Newt trolling Newt threads and jamming the Breaking News sidebar with all the negative Newt threads they can 24/7...including even silly blogs (where Humblegunner when ya need him?)

and calling for JR to ride in on his white horse from Fresno and zot Newties pell mell to sate their lust just like they did anyone dare criticize a fair lady who dared not run anyhow at the last minute

so given that history here I think you and the other Cain folks can deal with honest discussion over Cain.

I personally never supported him. His messing around is not the issue, it's the parsing and the denial up front that he did not recall the settlements when in fact he damn sure did in 2003 recall them in his senate run.

He's a weak candidate to me...an identity pick which without he'd be just another outspoken conservative businessman..like me..just more financially successful...his grasp of anything except 999 doesn't impress me and I think a national sales tax a horrible idea

[Marcella]

I heard the reporter tell what happened when he was with the woman. He saw Cain's phone number on her phone, sent a text to Cain on that phone and immediately got a call from Cain to that phone and spoke to him. So, it was not “allegedly” Cain's phone number, it was his.

[maine-iac7]

I don’t give any more care as to what Janine Turner has to say. (as cute as she was on “Northern Exposure” her time was up LONG ago)

Janine Turner is one of the few actresses who is a Conservative Republican

[Prokopton]

So, it was not “allegedly” Cain's phone number, it was his.

So this women sent 60 harassing phone messages to Cain? I wonder how many she sent to the woman who just won a harassment suit against her for her calling and texting activities?

[over3Owithabrain]

So if Cain was trying to cover up an affair why would he personally call back the number immediately and talk to the reporter?

[gardencatz]

Attorneys are in the business of careful wording. We have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. I simply require at least the same burden of proof needed to indite a ham sandwich. There was more proof of Casey Anthony’s guilt and she got off scot free.

Look, if he’s guilty then he’ll pay a price. What I’m damn sick of is people paying a price with innuendo. What we have now is her declaration of an affair, a phone bill with that shows messages going back and forth between whatever prefix. I can show the text messages on my phone. We also know from actual court records that this woman stalked someone else.

So why are we willing to condemn him on her say so? Do we not have higher standards than that? Many people around here are running around saying they believe he’s (and for history’s sake remember there was supposedly more than one accuser of Clarence Thomas, too) guilty, yet never acknowledging the evidence that these women have a pattern of behavior. If we’re going to have high moral standards, shouldn’t those standards also extend to honesty? There’s a reason Jesus said “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.

This isn’t even about whether he’s qualified to be president or not. If he’s evaluated on that basis and found to be lacking that’s one thing but a reputation, even if he’s found to be telling the truth can’t ever be restored. There will always be a lingering doubt, just as there is with Clarence Thomas. And the left and the press (but I repeat myself) knows exactly how to get our panties in a wad. Say “sex” and we run screaming in the other direction. It never fails. For Heaven’s sake, we’ve had people done in because of some “wide stance”. Really? Are we that uptight?

And in this whole thing no one seems to think the press should have the high standards they’re expecting of those they accuse of the sin of the month. Shouldn’t we expect more of this out of them? But why should they bother? They can achieve their ends by simple innuendo instead of solid proof. I mean one of the original “accusers” said she was concerned about Cain asking about having dinner with a woman who was asking questions and he looked funny...or something after a speech he gave. Supposedly there was another woman there who also heard his question and thought it was odd too (though we only know this one exists because of the one who reported it said so...this anonymous “other” hasn’t come forward to corroborate this). Then, after the accusation had done it’s damage she came out and said, “oh, never mind...I wasn’t really accusing him of sexual harassment.” And there are still people here, who should know better, still counting her as one of the accusers.

I guess I have a higher burden of proof than the press.

Cindie

[Impala64ssa]

Isn’t it strange how when allegations of Clinton’s infidelities popped up, the battle cry was “Hey, I’m voting for a president not the Pope.” A freind of mine who voted for Bubba told me “As long as he keeps his pants up in the Oval Office, who cares?”

[over3Owithabrain]

You just got schooled brah lol

So I guess by your own standards you are calling for Newt to drop out?

See what happens to hypocrites?

[maine-iac7]

Really?

Newt on Gore in 2009

headline: “Newt Rips Gore’s ‘Facts’ To Pieces”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7VUg7nG3lw&feature=related

[fightinJAG]

I’m not peddling anything and have certainly not posted one word about whatever you are jabbering about.

I am simply pointed out that someone supporting Gingrich has no grounds for claiming that another candidate’s adulterous affair makes him unfit for the presidency.

Claiming, as you do, that one guy’s misconduct doesn’t matter because it’s “old news” — gee, that’s what the Clintons and moveon.org always say! — is plain hypocrisy. If you personally are okay with Gingrich’s multiple affairs, you should not cast stones at anyone else who stumbles similarly.

Moreover, please read again WHY I posted the article that pointed out that Gingrich lied about the affair he was having during Clinton’s impeachment. (In case you don’t know, Gingrich has had more than one affair and three marriages. Oh, and fun fact! He wrote a novel about a “sex kitten,” too!)

The poster, in a lame attempt to avoid obvious and blatant hypocrisy, had claimed there was a difference between what Gingrich had done and what Cain had possibly done, in that Gingrich didn’t lie about his affair.

Which, of course, is utterly inaccurate. Gingrich DID lie about his affair and it became yet another reason that Gingrich was forced out by his own party and, on the other side of the aisle, he became the most hated Speaker in history.

And if you think people have forgotten things that happened “way back in the 90’s” — good grief.

[nathanbedford]

... the “Herman Cain” red line in such places as Iowa, (2nd Place), South Carolina (1st Place) and Florida (2nd Place) for him,

My information is much different than yours. I look in the real clear politics and this is what I see for the dates below. Nowhere is Herman Cain where you put him.

Thursday, November 24

New Hampshire

Romney 42, Gingrich 15, Paul 12, Huntsman 8, Cain 4, Perry 4, Bachmann 2, Santorum 1

Tuesday, November 22

South Carolina

Cain 17, Gingrich 31, Romney 16, Perry 6, Bachmann 5, Paul 5, Santorum 1, Huntsman 3

Thursday, November 17

Iowa

Gingrich 32, Cain 13, Romney 19, Paul 10, Bachmann 6, Perry 6, Santorum 5, Huntsman 2

Are you making this stuff up?

[Jeff Chandler]

Well put.

[gardencatz]

In the wee hours of the night? 4am and 8pm? What time zone? Before my husband started working nights he had to get up at 4 to get to work by 6. And why has no one actually asked to see physical copies? We’re simply believing it’s true. What in the heck is happening to us? The press no longer has to actually show the smoking gun in order to get us to believe as long as there’s a bimbo willing to say she has the empty shells.

Cindie

[nathanbedford]

You inadvertently mis-spelled “HUGH”.

And we all know that is a series mistake.

[Marcella]

“So this women sent 60 harassing phone messages to Cain? I wonder how many she sent to the woman who just won a harassment suit against her for her calling and texting activities?”

No, the reporter said there were messages back and forth - not just from her to him.

[maine-iac7]

HUH?

[Marcella]

The reporter sent a text message to Cain. He didn’t say what the text message was, just that Cain immediately called.

[so_real]

An excellent point you have there. It is insane to believe for a moment that a religious man facing his Maker with a cancer having a terribly low survival rate would take the time over this last half decade to act the part of a lecher, or have the energy to do so while recovering from surgery and chemotherapy, and all under the nose of a family doting on his health. So ... ridiculous.