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I am loathe to post the ACLU, but this is concerning. Why won't they specify to exclude the US Homeland? Isn't this a violation of Posse Comitatus? For that matter, indefinitely imprisoning US citizens? I don't care if they are fighting with Al Queada, we all know how this can be abused. What say you fellow Freepers?
1 posted on 11/26/2011 7:27:55 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine

Oh, and it was drafted in secret by McCain and a Democrat.


2 posted on 11/26/2011 7:28:56 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

This is a piece of crap legislation. It’s time to contact those idiots in Washington. I think they’re running scared of this election...


3 posted on 11/26/2011 7:32:39 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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Obama Justifies imprisonment of civilians as they may be a threat!

OBAMA RULE OF LAW: PROLONGED PREVENTATIVE INCARCERATION -DETENTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPZlysCAm0&feature=email


5 posted on 11/26/2011 7:37:48 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: autumnraine

ACLU, I’ll look somewhere else for a definition of an American, if you don’t mind.


6 posted on 11/26/2011 7:39:19 AM PST by skeeter
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To: autumnraine

It’s getting close to the point where We The People need to start planning to cast off this current “government” and reassert OUR power over them.


7 posted on 11/26/2011 7:41:31 AM PST by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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But the legislation is worrisome. Maybe a better answer is become more circumspect about who we allow in to the US.

But the ACLU won't like that option, either.

9 posted on 11/26/2011 7:43:59 AM PST by skeeter
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To: LucyT; autumnraine
Ping

Isn't this a violation of Posse Comitatus?

Oh, and it was drafted in secret by McCain and a Democrat. (Post #2)

12 posted on 11/26/2011 7:50:31 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: autumnraine

God forbid the Alabama Hghwy Patrol lock up an illegal!!!


16 posted on 11/26/2011 7:53:22 AM PST by mo
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To: autumnraine
In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”

whiskey tango foxtrot ?

18 posted on 11/26/2011 7:59:47 AM PST by NonValueAdded (At 4 AM, it is a test; at 2 PM, it is a demonstration)
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I just watched a movie a couple of nights ago ( from Redbox) called “Sarah’s Key” that should be watched by all FReepers, Americans, and French citizens. It’s about the active, deliberate participation of the French (occupied) government in the NAZI Holocaust (1942), by arresting and transporting to Germany of 76000 Jews, FROM PARIS.


19 posted on 11/26/2011 8:01:01 AM PST by matthew fuller (I stand with Leroy!)
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To: autumnraine

Everything is tied to the presidential election. If the dems believe they’re going to lose big time, Obama can declare martial law by one of his executive orders, postpone elections, and then say he saved the US. Think occupiers smashing windows and burning cars from sea to shining sea, all at the behest of Obama. Soros, unions, dems, MSM, they won’t leave a stone unturned in an effort to steal that election. If you think this is impossible, where have you been the past three years.


21 posted on 11/26/2011 8:02:57 AM PST by hershey
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To: autumnraine

Agreed. While I loathe the ACLU, I find myself increasingly siding with them on a lot of things.

This is bi-partisan police state bs!


23 posted on 11/26/2011 8:04:18 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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READ THE BILL:

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--

(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

... snip ...

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

The way I read this, American citizens and legal aliens are specifically exempted from the requirement to detain enemy combatants. So, can someone explain to me why there is cause for concern?

24 posted on 11/26/2011 8:07:09 AM PST by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: autumnraine
I've been searching for an alternative source for this report from a reputable, sane webpage and can find none . . . lots of OWS, Paul, DU, conspiracy sources, but nothing from the sane side of the net.

I think I'll wait for calmer, less emotional, more reliable sources to discuss this.

Wake me when the Heritage Foundation, Michelle Malkin, National Review, or one of the more mainstream, conservative sites mentions this before I over-react.
26 posted on 11/26/2011 8:15:04 AM PST by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: autumnraine

I don’t care if they are fighting with Al Queada, we all know how this can be abused.
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Well, I have always contended that people such as the ‘American Taliban’ early on in these conflicts, should have been turned over to our ‘ally’ in the particular skirmish. Once one fires on US troops, knowingly or unknowingly, especially in a hot zone, they become fair game.
If these recent three students were indeed throwing fire bombs at either side they should remain there to ‘face the music’ of no matter who they had a gripe with.

There has been a lot of ‘hand wringing’ around here about the audacity of the Iranians ‘detaining’ US CIA Operatives.
Sorry, but they knew the risks when they signed on and we also have a tendency to arrest and, in some cases, execute, spies for a foreign nation in this country.

Used to be a saying back in the ‘day’ that “Every time Russia arrests an American for spying, America arrests 5 Americans for spying”....


27 posted on 11/26/2011 8:19:52 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) If govt involved, the more outlandish a scheme appears, the truer it probably is.)
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To: autumnraine

I say they are almost all globalists who will say and do anything to stay on the gravy train as well as have a seat at the table when it all crashes down.


28 posted on 11/26/2011 8:26:44 AM PST by winodog
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To: autumnraine

John McCain is a lying traitor.

And anyone that thinks Romney wouldn’t go along with all of this is on acid.


30 posted on 11/26/2011 8:33:59 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: autumnraine
I had to look up Posse Comitatus. I was pretty sure I knew what it was. This is from Wikipedia:

The Posse Comitatus Act is an often misunderstood and misquoted United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385 ) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies from using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress.

The statute only directly addresses the US Army (and is understood to equally apply to the US Air Force as a derivative of the US Army); it does not reference, and thus does not implicitly apply to nor restrict units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States. The Navy and Marine Corps are prohibited by a Department of Defense directive, not by the Act itself.[1][2] The Coast Guard, under the Department of Homeland Security, is exempt from the Act.

If this Wiki article is accurate, then Posse Comitatus provides for Congressional overrides. Is that correct, and if so why would this bill be a violation?

Now that part of imprisoning citizens without charge or trial would be a clear violation of numerous Constitutional protections in my untrained mind.

I strongly dislike what I'm reading about this bill. Please comment.


32 posted on 11/26/2011 8:34:30 AM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: autumnraine

This ones for you patriots


34 posted on 11/26/2011 8:44:07 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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Why won't they specify to exclude the US Homeland

American Citizens and Legal Residents are specifically excluded.

39 posted on 11/26/2011 10:07:57 AM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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