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Arab states, Turkey plan 'No-Fly Zone' over Syria ("backed by American logistic support")
Albawaba.com ^ | 11-22-11 | unattributed

Posted on 11/22/2011 4:39:17 PM PST by dynachrome

Senior European sources said that Arab jet fighters, and possibly Turkish warplanes, backed by American logistic support will implement a no fly zone in Syria's skies, after the Arab League will issue a decision, under its Charter, calling for the protection of Syrian civilians. The sources told Kuwait's al Rai daily that the no fly ban will include a ban on the movement of Syrian military vehicles, including tanks, personnel carriers and artillery, adding that this move would aim at curbing the movement of Assad forces, and cripple their ability to bomb cities. The European sources said the no fly ban might lead to the paralysis of the Syrian regime forces "in less than 24 hours." Meanwhile, it is reported that the leadership of the Turkish General Staff informed all the concerned parties with the Syrian issue its rejection of the idea that the Turkish army would launch any invasion to the Syrian territory including the area adjacent to the Turkish border to establish a "buffer zone" to protect civilians fleeing the violence.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; kurdistan; lebanon; muzzies; nato; noflyzone; syria; turkey
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War #4?
1 posted on 11/22/2011 4:39:26 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome
Now this would be interesting. Assad and Hezbollah in Lebanon have tens of thousands of short range missiles. Would they use them on Turkey?
2 posted on 11/22/2011 4:48:42 PM PST by Truth29
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To: dynachrome

LOL

No surprise Hussein has fallen in with the muslim brotherhood`s second attempt at civil war in Syria.

Of course the first try was crushed by the Alawite Assad in the 1980s.

Hussein`s foreign policy of a radical muslim caliphate marches on.


3 posted on 11/22/2011 4:50:16 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: dynachrome

Syria’s leadership is Alawite - Turkey’s Islamists, who are Sunnis, would naturally be offended by people they view as subhuman killing fellow Sunnis.


Mainstream Muslims, Sunni and Shi’i alike, traditionally disregarded ‘Alawi efforts at dissimulation; they viewed ‘Alawis as beyond the pale of Islam - as non-Muslims. Hamza ibn ‘Ali, who saw the religion’s appeal lying in its perversity, articulated this view: “The first thing that promotes the wicked Nusayri is the fact that all things normally prohibited to humans - murder, stealing, lying, calumny, fornication, pederasty - is permitted to he or she who accepts [’Alawi doctrines].” Abu Hamid al-Ghazali (1058-1111), the Thomas Aquinas of Islam, wrote that the ‘Alawis “apostatize in matters of blood, money, marriage, and butchering, so it is a duty to kill them.”

Ahmad ibn Taymiya (1268-1328), the still highly influential Sunni writer of Syrian origins, wrote in a fatwa (religious decision) that “the Nusayris are more infidel than Jews or Christians, even more infidel than many polytheists. They have done greater harm to the community of Muhammad than have the warring infidels such as the Franks, the Turks, and others. To ignorant Muslims they pretend to be Shi’is, though in reality they do not believe in God or His prophet or His book.” Ibn Taymiya warned of the mischief their enmity can do: “Whenever possible, they spill the blood of Muslims. They are always the worst enemies of the Muslims.” In conclusion, he argued that “war and punishment in accordance with Islamic law against them are among the greatest of pious deeds and the most important obligations” for a Muslim. From the fourteenth century on, Sunnis used the term “Nusayri” to mean pariah.

‘Alawis had had no recognized position in the millet (sectarian) system of the Ottoman Empire. An Ottoman decree from 1571 notes that “ancient custom” required ‘Alawis to pay extra taxes to the authorities and justified this on the grounds that ‘Alawis “neither practice the fast [of Ramadan] nor the ritual prayers, nor do they observe any precepts of the Islamic religion.” Sunnis often saw food produced by ‘Alawis as unclean, and did not eat it. According to Jacques Weulerrse, “no ‘Alawi would dare enter a Muslim mosque. Formerly, not one of their religious leaders was able to go to town on the day of public prayer [Friday] without risk of being stoned. Any public demonstration of the community’s separate identity was taken as a challenge [by the Sunnis].”

Sunnis were not alone in reading ‘Alawis out of Islam-mainstream Shi’is did likewise. And ‘Alawis in turn saw both groups as deficient.

Sunni heresiographers excoriated Alawi beliefs and viewed the Alawis as disbelievers (kuffar) and idolaters (mushrikun). Twelver Shi’i heresiographers were only slightly less vituperative and regarded the Alawis as ghulat, “those who exceed” all bounds in their deification of Ali. The Alawis, in turn, held Twelver Shi’is to be muqassira, “those who fall short” of fathoming Ali’s divinity.


http://www.danielpipes.org/191/the-alawi-capture-of-power-in-syria


4 posted on 11/22/2011 5:03:28 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dynachrome

My first thought is the path of Israeli war planes to Iran.


5 posted on 11/22/2011 5:04:55 PM PST by Track9
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To: Truth29
Now this would be interesting. Assad and Hezbollah in Lebanon have tens of thousands of short range missiles. Would they use them on Turkey?

No need. All Assad has to do is to start backing Turkey's Kurdish rebels. Turkey's Kurdish population is estimated at 16m people. Assad could also finally stop persecuting the Kurds in Syria and welcome them as a buffer against Turkey and an ally against Sunni Arabs in Syria.

6 posted on 11/22/2011 5:07:35 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Truth29

The problem with using those missiles on Turkey is that Turkey is a NATO ally, and a missile attack on Turkish soil brings all kinds of treaty complications, whereas giving Turkish Kurds sanctuary creates all kinds of problems for the Turks without triggering a NATO response.


7 posted on 11/22/2011 5:11:24 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Track9

Me too. I immediately thought Iran when reading the headline.


8 posted on 11/22/2011 5:14:58 PM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: Zhang Fei
"No need. All Assad has to do is to start backing Turkey's Kurdish rebels. Turkey's Kurdish population is estimated at 16m people. Assad could also finally stop persecuting the Kurds in Syria and welcome them as a buffer against Turkey and an ally against Sunni Arabs in Syria."

That would certainly cause Turkey a lot of grief, too; but it sounds like it would take awhile to get rolling. If Turkey is going to try and do the same thing the US and NATO did to Libya, Assad will want to strike quickly before he loses the capability. After seeing Qaddafi's fate, I suspect that Assad will not surrender and will try to take as many of his attackers as possible with him.

9 posted on 11/22/2011 5:18:43 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Col Frank Slade

I doubt the administration would want to explain outright betrayal of Israel but under the guise of ‘protecting Syrian civilians’ they’d have no problem raising the alarm and within minutes the entire mooslime world would be shooting missiles.


10 posted on 11/22/2011 5:25:16 PM PST by Track9
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To: Para-Ord.45

Barry Hussein Obama, making the world safe for the Muslim Brotherhood since 2009.


11 posted on 11/22/2011 5:27:58 PM PST by mike-zed
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To: dynachrome

Ouch........ow....... ow!

Can you hear Iran scream? Iran is being squeezed very very hard


12 posted on 11/22/2011 5:29:45 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks dynachrome.
Arab jet fighters, and possibly Turkish warplanes, backed by American logistic support will implement a no fly zone in Syria's skies, after the Arab League will issue a decision, under its Charter, calling for the protection of Syrian civilians.
Iraq will balk.

Iran will take a more active role in the Assad stonewalling, despite recent apparent waffling.


13 posted on 11/22/2011 5:34:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dynachrome

Hmmm, not so sure about this. They may agree to call for a no fly zone but I cannot see these countries setting up a NFZ that hasn’t also been agreed on by the UN. And there is no way Russia/China will allow that to pass.


14 posted on 11/22/2011 5:44:50 PM PST by maquiladora
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To: Truth29
If Turkey is going to try and do the same thing the US and NATO did to Libya, Assad will want to strike quickly before he loses the capability. After seeing Qaddafi's fate, I suspect that Assad will not surrender and will try to take as many of his attackers as possible with him.

While he might or might not take great pleasure is slaughtering random numbers of Turks with missile barrages, launching those missiles is a surefire way of guaranteeing his own demise, because that will trigger a Turkish invasion that he will surely lose. Gaddafi fell because too few were willing to fight to the death for him. Syria's Alawite, Druze and Christian populations (~30% of the population) know that they will be exterminated if Sunni Islamists take power. As long as Turkey does not invade, Assad has a strong chance of staying in power, because these minority populations will stand with him to avoid being slaughtered in the event that the Alawite regime falls.

15 posted on 11/22/2011 5:45:39 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dynachrome

I don’t see a vital American interest. Of course, that’s why I expected Obama to back this.


16 posted on 11/22/2011 5:45:51 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: dynachrome

Thansk to whowver put this in “breaking” I was unsure of the source for the story, since I had nver heard of alwabawa.


17 posted on 11/22/2011 5:53:02 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Zhang Fei

Turkey is the front man for a larger conspiracy. Motive for Turkey is ticket into the EU (as bad an idea as it is). Part of the NWO.

Purpose is to eliminate national sovereignty piece by piece and precedence has been established and entrenched for a future attack against the United States. Who will be the winner? Muzzies? China? The UN? Agenda 21?

Drill and let the Muzzies destroy each other.

Nations that can resist internal subversives may become allies to fight the NWO. They are the non-socialist and converting to capitalism states and states stepping away from their advances towards socialism after seeing the light.


18 posted on 11/22/2011 5:53:26 PM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: dynachrome

Good, we get to help the Sunni in their perpetual war against the Shia. This should turn out well.


19 posted on 11/22/2011 5:58:15 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: dynachrome

My guess is that it’s the Jordanian media mouthpiece, funded on a shoestring budget, relative to Qatari-government-funded al Jazeera. I’d think of it as the moderate alternative to (all jihad all the time) al Jazeera. From Wikipedia:


Al Bawaba is a news, blogging and media website[1] headquartered in Amman, Jordan with an office in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Al Bawaba publishes news stories related to the Middle East. It has separate English and Arabic sections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Bawaba


20 posted on 11/22/2011 5:59:12 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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