[dynachrome]

War #4?

[Truth29]

Now this would be interesting. Assad and Hezbollah in Lebanon have tens of thousands of short range missiles. Would they use them on Turkey?

[Para-Ord.45]

LOL

No surprise Hussein has fallen in with the muslim brotherhood`s second attempt at civil war in Syria.

Of course the first try was crushed by the Alawite Assad in the 1980s.

Hussein`s foreign policy of a radical muslim caliphate marches on.

[Zhang Fei]

Syria’s leadership is Alawite - Turkey’s Islamists, who are Sunnis, would naturally be offended by people they view as subhuman killing fellow Sunnis.

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Mainstream Muslims, Sunni and Shi’i alike, traditionally disregarded ‘Alawi efforts at dissimulation; they viewed ‘Alawis as beyond the pale of Islam - as non-Muslims. Hamza ibn ‘Ali, who saw the religion’s appeal lying in its perversity, articulated this view: “The first thing that promotes the wicked Nusayri is the fact that all things normally prohibited to humans - murder, stealing, lying, calumny, fornication, pederasty - is permitted to he or she who accepts [’Alawi doctrines].” Abu Hamid al-Ghazali (1058-1111), the Thomas Aquinas of Islam, wrote that the ‘Alawis “apostatize in matters of blood, money, marriage, and butchering, so it is a duty to kill them.”

Ahmad ibn Taymiya (1268-1328), the still highly influential Sunni writer of Syrian origins, wrote in a fatwa (religious decision) that “the Nusayris are more infidel than Jews or Christians, even more infidel than many polytheists. They have done greater harm to the community of Muhammad than have the warring infidels such as the Franks, the Turks, and others. To ignorant Muslims they pretend to be Shi’is, though in reality they do not believe in God or His prophet or His book.” Ibn Taymiya warned of the mischief their enmity can do: “Whenever possible, they spill the blood of Muslims. They are always the worst enemies of the Muslims.” In conclusion, he argued that “war and punishment in accordance with Islamic law against them are among the greatest of pious deeds and the most important obligations” for a Muslim. From the fourteenth century on, Sunnis used the term “Nusayri” to mean pariah.

‘Alawis had had no recognized position in the millet (sectarian) system of the Ottoman Empire. An Ottoman decree from 1571 notes that “ancient custom” required ‘Alawis to pay extra taxes to the authorities and justified this on the grounds that ‘Alawis “neither practice the fast [of Ramadan] nor the ritual prayers, nor do they observe any precepts of the Islamic religion.” Sunnis often saw food produced by ‘Alawis as unclean, and did not eat it. According to Jacques Weulerrse, “no ‘Alawi would dare enter a Muslim mosque. Formerly, not one of their religious leaders was able to go to town on the day of public prayer [Friday] without risk of being stoned. Any public demonstration of the community’s separate identity was taken as a challenge [by the Sunnis].”

Sunnis were not alone in reading ‘Alawis out of Islam-mainstream Shi’is did likewise. And ‘Alawis in turn saw both groups as deficient.

Sunni heresiographers excoriated Alawi beliefs and viewed the Alawis as disbelievers (kuffar) and idolaters (mushrikun). Twelver Shi’i heresiographers were only slightly less vituperative and regarded the Alawis as ghulat, “those who exceed” all bounds in their deification of Ali. The Alawis, in turn, held Twelver Shi’is to be muqassira, “those who fall short” of fathoming Ali’s divinity.

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http://www.danielpipes.org/191/the-alawi-capture-of-power-in-syria

[Track9]

My first thought is the path of Israeli war planes to Iran.

[bert]

Ouch........ow....... ow!

Can you hear Iran scream? Iran is being squeezed very very hard

[maquiladora]

Hmmm, not so sure about this. They may agree to call for a no fly zone but I cannot see these countries setting up a NFZ that hasn’t also been agreed on by the UN. And there is no way Russia/China will allow that to pass.

[Pollster1]

I don’t see a vital American interest. Of course, that’s why I expected Obama to back this.

[dynachrome]

Thansk to whowver put this in “breaking” I was unsure of the source for the story, since I had nver heard of alwabawa.

[1010RD]

Good, we get to help the Sunni in their perpetual war against the Shia. This should turn out well.

[American Constitutionalist]

( Arab states, Turkey plan 'No-Fly Zone' over Syria ("backed by American logistic support") ....

Everyone knows that Turkeys can't fly... go ask WKRP...

[American Constitutionalist]

( * Arab states, Turkey plan 'No-Fly Zone' over Syria ("backed by American logistic support" * )

Arthur Carlson : " God as my witness, I thought Turkeys could fly "

[ducttape45]

This type of action by any political body is frightening to comprehend. What happens if the UN decides to put a no-fly zone over America and keeps our military from whatever actions they are engaged in? And what actions would they deem so important that they wouldn't want us meddling in?

What about the border with Mexico? Canada? terrorists actvities? etc..........

[hannibaal]

It is the handing over of the muslim world to religious sunni extremists. Long gone are the days of the strongarm arab rulers who destroy any semblance of religious extremism. It started in Iraq, and has spread to all of north africa and now its syrias turn. In the place of these dictators will rise islamic regimes and will lead to discrimination among minorities, specifically middle eastern Christians(case in point: Iraq, Egypt)
In the meantime, Obama and his grand project of further islamizing the arab world is a whopping success.

[hattend]

Imagine where we’d be if Obamao didn’t win a Nobel Peace Prize.

[bert]

ping

[markomalley]

At some point, the subject of "War Crimes" needs to be discussed. After all, Article 2 of the UN Charter states: All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations. (And, like it or not, we are a signatory to that charter)

So far as I can see, there was no UN Security Council resolution given to authorize military force against Libya. There is no UNSC Resolution authorizing the use of force against Syria. So they haven't, in either case, complied with Article 43.

And no declaration of war has been given by Congress (nor an authorization given in accordance with the War Powers Resolution)

And neither country has asked for assistance.

So, as far as I can see, these are huge war crimes. I'm not any kind of a peacenik...but there is a proper, legal way to go about this (like how GWB did with both Afghanistan and Iraq) and an illegal way (like Clinton in Kosovo, Barry in Libya, and now this).

[Enchante]

This may be bluster to put more pressure on Assad’s regime.

Is there a serious, credibly military and logistical plan for this???

I know that the IAF has kicked the SAF’s butts hard in the past, but without Israeli involvement (pretty unthinkable with current Turkish and Arab sentiments toward Israel), it would all depend upon Turkey’s capabilities and commitment.

Syria would not roll over, and it would be a tougher nut than Libya I’d guess....

Not saying it can’t be done militarily, but if Syria puts up a solid fight (big ‘if’ I know) Turkey would face serious losses even with their NATO quality forces.

I’m not saying this is not possible, either militarily or diplomatically, just that it seems unlikely to me. It would be a much tougher task than the no-fly zone over Libya.

[Gene Eric]

Indirect Perry ping

[Eleutheria5]

Are there still US assets in Libya? Didn’t they win yet? Best damned thing that could happen right now is the fall of Assad, however that’s accomplished. Suddenly, Iran and Hizbollah are short a partner.

[Karliner]

Yep war #4 since Uganda hasn’t sprouted yet. Also Yemen sorta fell a bit this week...another fracas we’re in thanks to the Nobel dynamite prize guy.