Posted on 10/18/2011 4:37:49 PM PDT by kristinn
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The Candidates:
Michele Bachmann
Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
Herman Cain
Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.
Newt Gingrich
Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.
Ron Paul
Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008
Rick Perry
Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.
Mitt Romney
Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).
Rick Santorum
Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.
so is Uganda
As you know....Of course not.
Some airy argument that prices will go down isn’t working for me.
Nana: I was yelling “somebody please know and say that those same Founding Fathers were dead dunked into Mormonism. They werent allowed freedom of religion”
Bosco: What in the world does this mean? Founding Fathers and Mormonism?
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Glad you asked...
The Founding Fathers were dead dunked into Mormonism...
Its a historical fact...
Glenn Beck knows it and Romney knows it...
Romney was dead wrong last night when he tried to play the victim card and all innocent...
The Mormon Romney was the biggest religious bigot on the stage last night...
You didn’t answer my question. I asked what you mean by the Founding Fathers being “dead dunked into Mormonism”, and you simply repeat yourself. Mormonism didn’t exist until the 1820’s, some 40-50 years after the founding of our country. Please explain what you mean by our Founding Fathers being “dead dunked into Mormonism”.
And no, I’m not Mormon, it’s just that your post makes no sense as written...
This is all good stuff. But what CAN'T happen is the creation of a sales tax BEFORE the 16th Amendment is repealed. A sales tax on top of a VERY-HARD-to-repeal Constitutionally-protected income tax and IRS would be disastrous.
The initial income tax reduction would of course create massive recovery along the lines of the historic 25-years of prosperity following Reagan's historic tax cuts.
Afterwards, going to work to repeal and eliminate income tax and (most of) the IRS would be a wonderful thing I think, if a sales tax is truly better than an income tax, which I kind of think it is as long as it is a one-tax only retail tax and not a tax repeated though the supply chain. We would need to accept that it would be a huge and possibly drawn-out effort to repeal the 16th Amendment which would be akin to killing some kind of invincible monster. As Reagan said, "No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. So, governments' programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth."
You didn’t answer my question. I asked what you mean by the Founding Fathers being “dead dunked into Mormonism”,
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It happened
To ALL of them...
Yes Mormonism wasnt invented until 1830, 50 years later
after they were all dead...
But a few years after that “the temple work” was done for ALL the Founding Fathers...
Would you mind if I get a couple of experts in Mormonism to explain it better than I can ???
Perfect analogy. These plans are $399/mo financing with a page of terms vs $425/mo financing with different terms and a shorter loan period.
What is the actual total PRICE!?!
Very succinct and well stated. Hope you don't mind if I quote you...
Thanks. No, I understand what “Temple Work” refers to. If you had said that I’d have understood. It was the phrase “dead dunked” that made no sense.
It's only a problem if you think there are a class of people who should not contribute any amount to reviving this country.
No. Did you read what I said? I said it's a problem for people who have spent their entire life paying more than their share of a high rate of income tax.
You and others who try to make this case, tend to ignore the hidden taxes they'd already be paying that are baked into current prices for goods and services. While those taxes will become visible, the consumers may not really pay more in total.
I'm not ignoring anything. Those hidden taxes on goods and services would be less than the visible 9% sales tax.
You're ignoring what I said. I didn't say that the consumer on average would pay more. I said the people who have shouldered the burden of paying taxes would get taxed again when they retire as they spend their savings.
I understand what “Temple Work” refers to.
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Then maybe you will explain it to me...
Several of my Christian ancestors have been victims of the Mormon “temple work”
So was Obamas Mom Stan Ann Dunham...dead dunked, endowments, sealings...
Thats why we now have our 1st Mormon president...
Calling folks who disagrees theologically with mormons “haters” discredits you or any of the other so-called conservatives who resort to liberal behavior in a feeble attempt to slander other FReepers.
As an ex-mormon critic of mormonism and the mormon church, I would welcome correction if I mis-stated something in the course of my discussions on these boards. However, what I normally get are petulant, whining comments and name calling. Typically, I’m labeled a “hater”.
magritte, labeling (libeling) folks you disagree with has never bothered you before, so I’m not surprised you persist in your peurile ad hominems.
I am not an “anti-mormon”, nor do I “hate” mormons, no matter how many times it’s repeated. Instead of using more accurate terms or words like “church critic”, the word “anti-” is used as it relates to the mormons as a people, “anti-mormon”.
That it is a personal prejudice. It helps to draw parallels to many “anti-” [such as anti-semitism] pogroms from the past and currently.
It’s an incendiary word that is already loaded with negative connotations that arouses in people a reflexive response that is neither necessary nor relevant, almost feral in nature.
I’m against everything the mormon church stands for, not the people.
If I were an anti-mormon, meaning I don’t like mormons, or “hate” them as I’ve been so oft accused, why would I still be married to one? Why would I associate with them in the many venues that I do? Why would I care about them enough to endure the slurs, slander, lies etc. that I encounter not only on FR, but in my daily life because I dare to take a stand against the false teachings of mormonism?
No, I dare say that if I “hated” mormons, I would leave them to their fate, instead, I challenge them to challenge their beliefs and teachings.
But then again, there are many who are totally incapable of making those simple distinctions.
It wasn’t one of us so-called (labeled) “haters” that started it if you give a crap, but that shouldn’t prevent us from correcting the libel either. If the thread hijack bothers you so damn much, jump on the person who did it.
Interesting analogy you used there, “furnace”.
It’s not lost on me.
Waiting to see how much rope you’re given to play that one out.
A believing Catholic **is** to his core Catholic values. To be against Catholic values and beliefs would mean that you would be against everything that person stands for, works for, defends, and who he *is*. It would mean being against that **person**.
Under Cains plan it will happen to the tune of an ADDITIONAL 9%
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