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An Egyptian Jew in Exile: An Interview with Bat Ye’or
New English Review ^ | Jerry Gordan

Posted on 10/01/2011 8:18:55 AM PDT by ventanax5

I first encountered Gisèle Littman, better known as "Bat Ye’or," through her book, The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians under Islam while browsing through a Judaica section of a Barnes & Noble book store in Westport, Connecticut in 1985. Reading it opened my mind to the historical evidence of the subjugated treatment of Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims under shari’a in the wake of Islamic Jihad over conquered lands. Her book threw into considerable doubt the then fashionable medievalist commentary that Jews and Christians had been well treated in Al Andaluz, Muslim Spain and in the far reaches of the Caliphate of the Ottoman Empire. Bat Ye’or’s penetrating historical analysis in The Dhimmi was followed by further investigations into the plight of Christians under the system of Islamic shari’a “dhimmitude.” Dhimmitude as an historical concept, was coined by Bat Ye'or in 1983 to describe the legal and social conditions of Jews and Christians subjected to Islamic rule. The word dhimmitude comes from dhimmi, an Arabic word meaning "protected." Bat Ye’or, through her latter writings plumbed the depths of Islamization of Europe with her major work, Eurabia: The Euro Arab Axis and the recently published, Europe Globalization and the Coming Universal Caliphate. See our review in this edition.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: batyeor; dhimmitude; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; islam; israel; jews; muslims; pages; spain

1 posted on 10/01/2011 8:18:56 AM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

More people need to understand about dhimmitude, because right now, the university-backed notion about Islam and how wonderful they were to their Jewish and Christian minorities is as firmly established as the notion that all Native American tribes lived in Disney-like harmony till the white man came along.


2 posted on 10/01/2011 8:58:09 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: ventanax5

Excellent piece. Thank you for posting.


3 posted on 10/01/2011 9:08:58 AM PDT by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: ventanax5

I have known of this good woman for many years and what she has sounded the alarms about is dead on. The ACTUAL history of the Jews, Christians, so-called “palestinians” and arabs throughout the Holy Land is well known and has been documented for thousands of years. The current, popular, fallacies about this region are, for the most (largest) part, lies.

The western elitist left uses the arabs for its own purpose and have made the tragic mistake of believing that they can control and use these savages to “beat down” the “masses”. This is a mistake that they will come to regret when they find that all their fantasies of controlling their rabid dog are just that, and that rabid dog turns on them.

All over America and the civilized countries of Europe there are mosques filled with those who hate everything we are and that preach hatred and death- where is the media? Yet let one renegade “christian” group- like the Westboro Baptist group of morons- do anything like it, the media is all over them. What do we imagine the difference is?

The left doesn’t believe anything that islam preaches, they don’t believe in a god, other than themselves, and they have no tolerance for “religion. So what IS the attraction? It would behoove us to ask.


4 posted on 10/01/2011 9:32:10 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: ml/nj

self ping


5 posted on 10/01/2011 10:38:53 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ventanax5

“This term Eurabia was created by European politicians and intellectuals that militated from the late 1960s for the Palestinians and a Euro-Arab rapprochement, and even a Euro-Arab symbiosis around the Mediterranean. This movement was antisemitic and anti-American, it gathered many former Nazis and their supporters and collaborators in European countries. It was supported by the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In 1973 it became an unofficial but organized policy of the European Community and its executive office, the European Commission, together with the Arab League.”

Just amazing that the west seems bound & determined to slit its own throat!


6 posted on 10/01/2011 10:51:48 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks ventanax5.
her book, 'The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians under Islam' ...opened my mind to the historical evidence of the subjugated treatment of Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims under shari’a in the wake of Islamic Jihad over conquered lands. Her book threw into considerable doubt the then fashionable medievalist commentary that Jews and Christians had been well treated in Al Andaluz, Muslim Spain and in the far reaches of the Caliphate of the Ottoman Empire.
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


7 posted on 10/01/2011 9:20:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam
by Bat Ye'or
tr by David Maisel
preface by Jacques Ellul

hardcover


8 posted on 10/01/2011 9:28:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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bttt


9 posted on 10/01/2011 9:30:05 PM PDT by Pelham (The U.S.A., soon to be the next Latin American country.)
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To: SunkenCiv

bttt


10 posted on 10/01/2011 9:30:25 PM PDT by Pelham (The U.S.A., soon to be the next Latin American country.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Jewish History Sourcebook:
Islam and the Jews: The Pact of Umar, 9th Century CE


THE Pact of Umar is the body of limitations and privileges entered into by treaty between conquering Muslims and conquered non-Muslims. We have no special treaty of this sort with the Jews, but we must assume that all conquered peoples, including the Jews, had to subscribe to it. Thus the laws cited below and directed against churches apply to synagogues too. The Pact was probably originated about 637 by Umar I after the conquest of Christian Syria and Palestine. By accretions from established practices and precedents, the Pact was extended; yet despite these additions the whole Pact was ascribed to Umar. There are many variants of the text and scholars deny that the text as it now stands could have come from the pen of Umar I; it is generally assumed that its present form dates from about the ninth century.

The Pact of Umar has served to govern the relations between the Muslims and “the people of the book,” such as Jews, Christians, and the like, down to the present day.

In addition to the conditions of the Pact listed below, the Jews, like the Christians, paid a head-tax in return for protection, and for exemption from military service. Jews and Christians were also forbidden to hold government office. This Pact, like much medieval legislation, was honored more in the breach than in the observance. In general, though, the Pact increased in stringency with the centuries and was still in force in the 20th century in lands such as Yemen. The Pact is in Arabic.

In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate!

This is a writing to Umar from the Christians of such and such a city. When You [Muslims] marched against us [Christians],: we asked of you protection for ourselves, our posterity, our possessions, and our co-religionists; and we made this stipulation with you, that we will not erect in our city or the suburbs any new monastery, church, cell or hermitage; that we will not repair any of such buildings that may fall into ruins, or renew those that may be situated in the Muslim quarters of the town; that we will not refuse the Muslims entry into our churches either by night or by day; that we will open the gates wide to passengers and travellers; that we will receive any Muslim traveller into our houses and give him food and lodging for three nights; that we will not harbor any spy in our churches or houses, or conceal any enemy of the Muslims. [At least six of these laws were taken over from earlier Christian laws against infidels.]

That we will not teach our children the Qu’ran [some nationalist Arabs feared the infidels would ridicule the Qu’ran; others did not want infidels even to learn the language]; that we will not make a show of the Christian religion nor invite any one to embrace it; that we will not prevent any of our kinsmen from embracing Islam, if they so desire. That we will honor the Muslims and rise up in our assemblies when they wish to take their seats; that we will not imitate them in our dress, either in the cap, turban, sandals, or parting of the hair; that we will not make use of their expressions of speech, nor adopt their surnames [infidels must not use greetings and special phrases employed only by Muslims]; that we will not ride on saddles, or gird on swords, or take to ourselves arms or wear them, or engrave Arabic inscriptions on our rings; that we will not sell wine [forbidden to Muslims]; that we will shave the front of our heads; that we will keep to our own style of dress, wherever we may be; that we will wear girdles round our waists [infidels wore leather or cord girdles; Muslims, cloth and silk].

That we will not display the cross upon our churches or display our crosses or our sacred books in the streets of the Muslims, or in their market-places; that we will strike the clappers in our churches lightly [wooden rattles or bells summoned the people to church or synagogue]; that we will not recite our services in a loud voice when a Muslim is present; that we will not carry Palm branches [on Palm Sunday] or our images in procession in the streets; that at the burial of our dead we will not chant loudly or carry lighted candles in the streets of the Muslims or their market places; that we will not take any slaves that have already been in the possession of Muslims, nor spy into their houses; and that we will not strike any Muslim.

All this we promise to observe, on behalf of ourselves and our co-religionists, and receive protection from you in exchange; and if we violate any of the conditions of this agreement, then we forfeit your protection and you are at liberty to treat us as enemies and rebels.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/jews-umar.asp

SAYS ‘UMAR’ TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK...SIGN THIS AND WE WILL LET YOU LIVE!


11 posted on 10/01/2011 9:31:47 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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Thanks Fred Nerks.


12 posted on 10/02/2011 6:27:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Fascinating interview. This lady gets it. But then, she’s also lived it.


13 posted on 10/03/2011 1:22:42 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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Thanks c.t.


14 posted on 10/03/2011 8:52:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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