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Debunking the Perry Immigration Lie
TownHall ^ | Sept. 25, 2011 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 09/25/2011 10:37:58 AM PDT by Clairity

In this week's GOP Presidential debate, Governor Mitt Romney and Senator Rick Santorum both repeated untruths about Governor Rick Perry's immigration position. It is time to set the record straight.

First let me say, I've not endorsed a candidate and though I've predicted a Perry win in 2012, it is not based on a personal desire, but rather the assessment of all the data that I believe the general election race will be dependent on. I did the same thing in 2006, predicting a Barack Obama win, but by no means endorsing his candidacy.

Second let me also say, this week's debate performance by Governor Rick Perry was bizarre and seemed to run out of complete steam in the final thirty minutes. In fact I was so curious as to the Governor's performance down the stretch I inquired to the Perry campaign to see if the Governor had taken ill, or had some other medical issue arise in the final half hour.

But on Thursday evening it did become clear that the GOP opponents intend to rhetorically bloody Governor Perry as best they can until they begin to be eliminated from the race.

In the debate, Chris Wallace asked a direct question to Mitt Romney regarding the in-state tuition rates of children who live in the state, but happen to have parents who came here illegally.

Mitt Romney replied, "I don't see how it is that a state like Texas--to go to the University of Texas--if you're an illegal alien--you get an in-state tuition discount. D'you know how much that is? It's twenty-two thousand dollars a year. Four years of college you're almost a hundred thousand dollar discount if you're an illegal alien--if you go to the University of Texas. If you're a United States citizen, from any one of the other forty-nine states, you have to pay a hundred thousand dollars more. That doesn't make sense to me. And that kind of magnet, draws people into this country, to get that education, to get that kind of hundred thousand dollar break, it makes no sense..."

I was disappointed that Chris Wallace didn't stop him and make him answer the question he had actually asked him.

Maybe Mitt Romney doesn't realize that many children of illegal aliens aren't illegals themselves. And as long as birth-rite citizenship is the law, anchor babies are protected under the law with equal benefits to all other American citizens.

Maybe Mitt Romney doesn't realize that nearly all of the rest of children of illegals had no choice in whether to live in Texas or not. If they were brought there by parents who were illegal--how is that the child's fault? Is Romney ready to charge those children with crimes? Mass deportations? Even Romney has not pledged to go that far.

Maybe Mitt Romney somehow missed the point that Governor Perry's problem is one that the Federal Government created for him. By refusing to enforce current immigration law, the Obama administration has made life for border states unbelievably difficult. And in some cases the Federal Government is even attempting to choke out state's rights to react to border issues in any way whatsoever.

Maybe Mitt Romney is completely ignorant of what the reality of dealing with the border actually means--in real terms. Gov. Perry had to raise $400 million in state taxes to attempt to shore up the border and do the job that the Feds should be doing.

Or maybe Governor Romney believes he doesn't need any votes from legal Hispanics and legal immigrants who are wrestling with the real issue of being in a position where their family's future is in question.

But to set the record straight, it was the state of Texas, and most specifically its lawfully elected legislature that drafted the legislation and passed it with only 4 votes of 181 possible to vote against it. Yes, Governor Perry signed it into law, but it was a definitively bi-partisan initiative that the people of Texas clearly wanted to see become law.

Additionally, Governor Perry has actual compassion for these children who ended up in his state, outside of their own doing. Educating them gets them working and contributing to the state's treasury faster, and is more meaningful than letting them sit on the sidelines.

And despite what the unusually angry Rick Santorum offered, all the legislation did was allow those children (NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS AT LARGE) to get the same "starting point" in state institutions that all of their classmates got. The stupid argument that Romney and Santorum grew red-faced and spittle-spewing over didn't seem to hold true against Texas where non-Texan students would have to pay $88,000 more than other Texas-raised children. And states discriminate that way against other children from other regions of the country--all the time.

President Obama will need to re-energize the American Hispanic vote in order for him to win re-election. They had left him on the economy, and they were never with him on his values. But Mitt Romney--who vows allegiance to a church that had at its core a racist doctrine until only a couple of decades ago--is verging on alienating other ethnic groups, in part because he is not telling the truth about the Texas legislature's law to allow children (not illegal aliens who crossed the border--the children of) to simply pay the same amount of tuition as the kids they sit next to in class.

In short Perry knows this problem intimately. And it will be a cold day in Hades before he ever signs a federal version of the DREAM Act. He believes in fencing, technology, state's rights, and workplace incentives.

Which more or less means he believes in the same enforcement techniques as all the rest of the GOP field.

And for Santorum and Romney to pretend otherwise is sanctimonious and dishonest.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; gopdebate; illegalimmigration; immigration; obama; perry; perry2012; romney; santorum
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To: Ajnin
An illegal that swam the Rio Grand yesterday will be able to get in state tuition today. To believe anything else is grossly naive.

Wrong again. They have to have lived in TX for at least three years and graduated or gotten a GED from a TX school. Facts don't matter much to you, do they?

181 posted on 09/25/2011 1:32:21 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen andY let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Clairity
That is one of the best explanations of the in-state tuition issue I've read. Too bad Perry can't give that type defense, just a bit more concise. Its a tough nut to crack.

Perry does have a less than ideal stance on immigration. Honest disagreement is one thing, but his heartless remark was over the line and has raised the vitriol against him. Toss in Perry's poor debate performance last Thursday and the dumping on Perry continues non-stop with his campaign unable to stop the bleeding.

Between now and the next debate at Darmouth on Oct 11th. Perry&Co. need to make a strong statement why he should be the GOP nominee. They must figure out a way to expose Romney's real record of political expediency and liberalism and play smartball in promoting Perry's long record of conservatism as Texas Governor.

182 posted on 09/25/2011 1:36:54 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: shield

Sure you have.

Yes time will tell, lol


183 posted on 09/25/2011 1:39:46 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: Clairity

I am forming a group call HEARTLESS in honor of Rick Perry. We will all swear never to vote for him cause we all want these leeches deported and don’t want to pay for them.


184 posted on 09/25/2011 1:43:49 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Just mythoughts
Palin is not our best bet to defeat Obama and that is of primary importance.

The difference between hard-core Palin supporters and the rest of us is that the hard cores care about promoting Palin--I care about defeating Obama and stopping this march to socialism.

I am not emotionally invested in anyone--only the idea of stopping Obama.

185 posted on 09/25/2011 1:46:13 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: itsahoot

Good point. But the larger point is why should we give benefits to criminals just because they pay their taxes, how ever much that may be? The bottom line is they are breaking the law to be here! They don’t have to be here illegally, they choose to. It really makes a mockery of all those who come here legally & do it the right & legal way.


186 posted on 09/25/2011 1:47:07 PM PDT by Confab
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To: justsaynomore
Yes, indeed, I do. IF what you have stated is factual then Cain should be fine. Otherwise, it ain't goin’ be pretty to watch...’cause the wolves are out...circling his wagons.
187 posted on 09/25/2011 1:47:21 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Clairity
Birthright Citizenship is of dubious legality. That aside the author of this purposely conflates anchor children with illegal aliens.
Illegal alien children are not responsible for the crimes of their parents. No one wants to put them in jail. But a fundamental of American law and before that British common law iss the idea that children do no benefit from the crimes of their parents. Deporting these criminals is not punishment but justice.
188 posted on 09/25/2011 1:48:02 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Mr Rogers

The Perry supporters have no answer to that. They will not reply to you.


189 posted on 09/25/2011 1:48:38 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: Eva

As I have told you, the government has been paying farmers to fence off running water for years, and the mexicans turned the river into a cess pool, it was only americans building them sewage treatment plants that has stopped that. And government also buys the pipe to run the water in for cattle, but since we built the treatment plants clean water can be pump directly from them. The water issue is a red herring, period, nothing wrong with running pipe through concrete.


190 posted on 09/25/2011 1:48:57 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: shield

Yes, he will be fine. In fact, some of the disgruntled who left his campaign have already been exposed for the real reasons they left. You’re kind of late to this party :-)


191 posted on 09/25/2011 1:53:13 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Palin is not our best bet to defeat Obama and that is of primary importance. The difference between hard-core Palin supporters and the rest of us is that the hard cores care about promoting Palin--I care about defeating Obama and stopping this march to socialism. I am not emotionally invested in anyone--only the idea of stopping Obama.

Ah, Sarah is NOT in this campaign. I have NO clue if she will run or NOT. But you sure are obsessed about her for reasons that will NOT fit in what other words you put together. Governor Perry is suppose to be after my vote, NOT all the illegals that have invaded this nation. That alone disqualifies him as a leader for this nation.

192 posted on 09/25/2011 1:54:54 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: ilgipper

I couldn’t state my feelings anymore precisely. Thank you. I share your exact sentiments.


193 posted on 09/25/2011 1:54:56 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Back to square freakn' one...)
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To: mylife

>>Without a doubt, Perry blundered badly in the last debate.<<

Blundered? You’re not serious.

He said EXACTLY what he thinks, clearly, articulately, and his comments on in-state tuition for the children of illegals, which accompanied his charge of “heartlessness” were the most passionate things he said all night.

It is a clear insight into the LIBERALISM that lives in the heart of Rick Perry, for all the world to see.

Anyone who does not see it is an idiot.

Anyone who wants to spend their time on Free Republic trying to tell us that we didn’t really see what our eyes saw, or we didn’t hear what our ears heard, is likewise an idiot.

Yet we have FReepers trying to put lipstick on the pig, and telling us not to pay any attention to the little man behind the curtain.

Not gonna happen.


194 posted on 09/25/2011 1:55:18 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Bush called us "vigilantes." Perry calls us "heartless.")
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To: federal__reserve

If he alters/changes/modifies his position on those two issues, Perry again goes to the top of my list.

Romney does that all the time. He has three or four positions on every issue. And he'll cycle through them until you agree with him. But I bet he is not on the top of your list. For good reason! I hold Perry to the same standard. Thus, with your last statement, I completely agree : Go Herman Cain!


195 posted on 09/25/2011 1:55:23 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Just mythoughts
Then Palin is also disqualified. This is my point--they are ALL disqualified.

Please explain Palin's SS position. I don't get this? http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Palin/Social-Security.php

196 posted on 09/25/2011 1:59:02 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Meet the New Boss

Do a google search on “Rick Perry Amnesty”

All you can find is innuendo and smears.
Rick Perry is solidly against illegal Immigration

I wish Freepers would take a look around at what is going on here.

Obama is off golfing while the entire Western financial world is collapsing and while Arab winds of change are sweeping the Middle east under his passive aggressive hand.

And here we are.. on Free Republic beating up Rick Perry.

Calling him “slick” and a “crony capitalist” and at the same time calling him a “rube” and a “moron”


197 posted on 09/25/2011 1:59:02 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ilgipper
you don’t think there is a practical problem for border state governments if the federal government refuses to deal with the problem?

Did you just change the "problem" from instate tuition for invaders, to invaders crossing federally unenforced borders?

Of course, I believe the latter is substantial and significant, rising to the level of a failure of a Constitutional duty by the Executive branch.

By its definition, the hardship caused by that failure has no place in an argument that tries to justify instate tuition for the invaders; i.e., it isn't relevant.

198 posted on 09/25/2011 1:59:34 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Their bible calls for either our conversion or our death - how and when has that changed ?)
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To: justsaynomore

Nice to know...this will be interesting to watch.


199 posted on 09/25/2011 2:01:44 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Hugin
Facts do not mean much to you do they, if the government knows they are there illegal for three years they are aiding in law breaking. How do they check to see if they have been there illegally stealing off of Americans.
200 posted on 09/25/2011 2:01:51 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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