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1 posted on 09/21/2011 6:15:37 PM PDT by Nachum
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The “social contract” is the Constitution, and the laws based on it. “Pay It Forward” is commie-talk for “confiscate all we can get away with.”


31 posted on 09/21/2011 6:55:05 PM PDT by magritte
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I think she’s making the argument that everyone should have skin in the game and those who collect government benefits should pay them back when they get back on their feet.

Isn’t she?


32 posted on 09/21/2011 6:57:13 PM PDT by MNnice (Showing fresh signs of liberalitis, the strain of the orbital muscles due to excessive eye rolling)
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“You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."

Boy... Does she ever have that backward. Without entrepreneurs to provide the jobs that pay those taxes, there is no money for her precious government. Productive people can live just fine without government. Government, however, cannot live without productive people.

35 posted on 09/21/2011 7:09:46 PM PDT by Ramius (personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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This might work in Massachusetts, the state that voted for McGovern in 1972 and which kept sending Teddy Kennedy back to the US Senate after he killed Mary Jo Kopechne.


36 posted on 09/21/2011 7:15:49 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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The only things that have ever increased under government control are the size of government (with no correlation to efficiency or effectiveness) and poverty (which has a direct correlation to the size of government). Every thing else that they touch turns to sh!t!


38 posted on 09/21/2011 7:29:28 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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39 posted on 09/21/2011 7:39:20 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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...and everybody has access to these same roads, and these same police and firemen, and these same publicly educated workers.

Some people put in the effort required to use those tools to produce wealth, and some don't.

40 posted on 09/21/2011 8:28:16 PM PDT by Washi
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"You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come are take enerything in your factory."

No Elizabeth, you are the first to come along and try that...

41 posted on 09/21/2011 8:36:12 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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They love this women on DU. They have a poll called “Who do you want to run for president in 2016?,” and Elizabeth Warren is the winner with 37% of the vote. Number 2 is Bernie Sanders with 18%.

Hillary was left out of the poll and barely mentioned in the comments. Most of the mentions are negative because Hillary is not Leftist enough or is too old.

Poll here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1949555

If you go there, remember to shower after.


42 posted on 09/21/2011 8:42:18 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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No wonder MSNBC loves her. I just thought Rachel had the hots for her.


43 posted on 09/21/2011 8:53:25 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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Harvard Marxist.

No wonder the Republicans didnt want her being a regulator in Washington. phew!


45 posted on 09/21/2011 9:16:22 PM PDT by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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village idiot


46 posted on 09/22/2011 4:07:20 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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Liberals always ask themselves....What would Stalin do?
49 posted on 09/22/2011 9:31:46 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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Is there some mere factory owner that doesn’t take a hunk of his earnings and send it to the government to pay for the next kid, along with a gaggle of bureaucrats all claiming to speak in his name?

Declining to send DC money is a privilege reserved to Jeff Immelt and Fortune 500 CEO’s nuzzled up to Papa Obama’s government.

This woman is a debating champ. She, like the President, certainly knows how to flail at a straw man.


54 posted on 09/22/2011 9:42:08 AM PDT by Sick of Lefties
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Well, Lizzie, while you are listing things for which taxes are used to pay, you neglected all the crap that few, if any, want. Adam Smith accepted a government role in building ports, roads, and bridges because those things support the market and the flow of goods and products. However, I doubt that Smith would support an NLRB running about deciding who can build a factory and where. Smith would not have supported an EPA that decides that it shall fine people for the presence of dust. The list of Gooberment waste, fraud, and abuse is quite large (as is the list of useless and needless Gooberment programmes and agencies). Lizzie, people create wealth IN SPITE OF people such as yourself who feel entitled to the fruits of their labour.
55 posted on 09/22/2011 9:48:07 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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Hey, Liz.. What about the waste, fraud and abuse that ran up the debt?

Tax the producers, and it will just get passed on to the consumer.


59 posted on 09/22/2011 10:18:01 AM PDT by Fu-fu2
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From Francisco's Money Speech:

"You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood – money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves – slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer. Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers – as industrialists.

"To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money – and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being – the self-made man – the American industrialist.

"If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose – because it contains all the others – the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money'. No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity – to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted, or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality.

"Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide – as, I think, he will.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns – or dollars. Take your choice – there is no other – and your time is running out."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

60 posted on 09/22/2011 10:32:37 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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Rush has been talking about this today.

I would add two things to what Rush has said.

First, government is only supposed to do the things we agree government is supposed to do. We agree that government is supposed to build roads (even though they all seem to be built by private businesses).

When de Tocqueville made his survey and wrote about it in Democracy in America there were businesses making profits here but there were no government police and no government schools.

ML/NJ

61 posted on 09/22/2011 11:03:39 AM PDT by ml/nj
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she got rich on her own. i bet her income according to obama is above $200k. that’s rich. unless she is saying someone else took her classes, tests and passed the bar for her.....


63 posted on 09/22/2011 11:47:06 AM PDT by sappy
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For what it’s worth.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2781200/posts

BlogPimp Alert: It’s my own writing. She’s provided me with frequent subject matter this year.

Quite a woman. Completely unreflective. Not a self-critical bone in her body.


64 posted on 09/22/2011 2:42:43 PM PDT by Sick of Lefties
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