Posted on 09/14/2011 3:46:31 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Are all of your Grandchildren home schooled?
Do your children all agree with your position?
I am certain that there are many of us waiting your reply.
What do my grandchildren have to do with the universal question of whether or not good teachers force children to think and reason godlessly?
Why are my grandchildren important to the universal question of whether good teachers cooperate with a government compulsory system that is likely to lead to children learning to being comfortable with the voting mob dictating their religious, political, and cultural worldview.
And...Why are my grandchildren important to the question of whether or not good teachers should cooperate with government force, that compels children to attend socialist-funded schools? When in these socialist-funded schools children are likely to learn to be comfortable with the socialist system of taking money from a neighbor for free things ( in this case tuition-free schooling).
It is a poor debate technique to throw up a strawman to a direct question.
This question is important for the simnple reason that if your own children do not engage exclusively in home schooling them maybe you need to re-evaluate your diatribes.
Whether my grandchildren are privately or home schooled has absolutely NOTHING to do with the following:
Government schools are godless! Good teachers don't destroy the faith of children. Evil teachers do that.
Government schools are socialist funded, Merely by attending children get used to the voting mob giving them tuition-free schooling. Good teachers don't help chidlren be comfortable with socialism. Evil teachers do that.
Please add me to both of your home schooling lists.
Thank you!
Diatribes? Then it should be easy for you to refute the following:
— Government schools are godless.
— Government schools are socialist-funded.
— Government schools are voter mob ( school board ) controlled.
— It is impossible to have religiously. culturally, and politically neutral education.
— Government schools are First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.
Sure thing.
NO you are wrong. If you can't convince your own family of the validity of your arguments then why should we believe you.
L.R. Hubbard was never able to convince his son to join the "Church" of Scientology, James Whites' Sister Patty Bonds and her entire family converted tot he Catholic Church.
So if the people like you (extremists) can't convince the ones closest to you: Why should we listen to you?
Government schools are godless in their worldivew. Children who attend will learn to think and reason godlessly. They must If they are to cooperate within the classroom.
How is the above extreme?? Huh?
Now the next question is derived from the statement above. Do good people ( teachers) cooperate with, establish, and willingly take a paycheck for teaching children to think and reason godlessly and destroying the faith taught in the home? Or...Do good people ( teachers) work to shut the system down and work for private solutions?
Is following extreme?
Government schools are socialist-funded. By attending children learn to be comfortable with the voting mob (using government threat of force) taking money from a neighbor for a free tuition free service. Do good people or teachers cooperate with, assist, or take a paycheck for this?
Is the following an extreme statement or is it true?
Government schools are compulsory for all who can not ransom their children through the extra expense ( jiyza) of private or home schooling.
Is the following extreme or true?
Once in the school, children ( whose only crime is being born) are treated like prisoners by the government. Their rights, and indirectly their parents rights, to free speech, press, and assembly are crushed by the government. And....They are subject to non-stop indoctrination in the government religion of atheistic secular humanism. In other words, government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination. How is this an “extreme” statement? Do good people cooperate with this or work to end it and rescue as many children as possible?
There are many more points that I could make about government schooling. There are solutions **already** being implemented in nearly every state in the union that would help build the private infrastructure needed for complete separation of school and state. GOOD people are doing all they can to move these ideas forward! Good people are doing all they can to rescue children one at a time.
And ....Finally, when the minister's wife or nice Mrs. Goody ( who loves her cat) teach in the government schools, inexperienced parents are lulled into the false impression that godless government schools couldn't be **that** morally and ethically bad. Gee! Mrs. Goody and the minister's wife work there.
What nonsense!
Libertarians believe that federal park land should be returned to the states. Does that make them hypocrites if they ( or a sister, brother, or son) were to visit a federal park?
This is a Saul Alinksy technique to destroy the credibility of the message by attempting to paint the opponent as a hypocrite.
I sincerely hope that, if you are a teacher, that you do not use this debating tactic on immature students who would be incapable of recognizing this manipulative technique and are in a defenseless position of power. To do so would be highly emotionally abusive. It would be child abuse.
“Children who attend will learn to think and reason godlessly.”
I can’t tell you how many times my students have said, “You can’t talk about religion in school,” whenever anything remotely referencing God/faith/etc. comes up in class discussion. They have been successfully trained to chant the meme.
I usually follow this with a lengthy discussion of the error of their statement, the First Amendment to the Constitution, the role Christianity has played in our nation’s founding, the little mention about the teaching of the Gospel found in the Northwest Ordnance (abiding by the which was required of all would-be states.) In short, I let ‘em have both barrels.
So much work to undo!
More strawman arguements.
Correct decision, actually.
"Government schools were/ are a Protestant (over)reaction to the Catholic schools that were all publicly funded at one time. They are built on the "Protestant" foundation, are you saying that Protestants are Godless?
— Government schools are socialist-funded.
I am not sure where you received your education, but here in my State we teach the students that our country is a Democratic Republic. The People elect representatives that are chosen to represent their interests. One of these interests is the education of the youth. As such our schools are funded through Democracy, not socialism. You might want to consider getting a refund on that Doctorate you like to spout off about. This is some thing that is taught to grade school school children.
— Government schools are voter mob ( school board ) controlled.See the above. Mobs by definition are unruly lawless gangs based on violence. If yours acts that way you might consider moving.
— It is impossible to have religiously. culturally, and politically neutral education.Thank God for that. Otherwise I could not expound my Conservative Christian values. The last thing we want is a neutral valueless education
— Government schools are First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.
This is an opinion unsupported by evidence. I and other teachers have every right to express ourselves, that is the reason for tenure.
You can't refute it so you call it nonsense.
Libertarians believe that federal park land should be returned to the states. Does that make them hypocrites if they ( or a sister, brother, or son) were to visit a federal park?Strawman, and false Dichotomy.
This is a Saul Alinksy technique to destroy the credibility of the message by attempting to paint the opponent as a hypocrite. if the charges were false then it might be considered Alinskyesque, but the fact that you only home schooled when it was convenient for you speaks volumes that I never could.
I sincerely hope that, if you are a teacher, that you do not use this debating tactic on immature students who would be incapable of recognizing this manipulative technique and are in a defenseless position of power. To do so would be highly emotionally abusive. It would be child abuse.Since I have not used any invalid techniques, you charges are baseless, on the hand, you have so far referred to my my comments as alinsky in nature twice, with out a shred of proof. Should I refer to your technique as Goebbelesque in nature?
Ideas are the most powerful things in this world. Flailing against a powerful idea is like yelling at a hurricane hoping it will go away.
Idea: Government schools are evil ( do a Google on that expression), so what does that make those who establish them, implement their policies, promote and defend them?
Here are some actual ideas (otherwise known as facts) that that are not based on wild emotions and extremist ideas:
Public Schools work for about 80% of the population. Unlike other countries we strive to educate 100% of the population
I have told you before that I can give you a list of students to take under your wing and prove your theories, every time you have either ignored the offer or refused.
so what does that make those who establish them, implement their policies, promote and defend them?
Better yet what does it say about people that blame "the system" for their own failings" What does it say about them when they refuse to try and make changes in the system instead choosing to run and hide?
Who has more courage the ones hiding under the bed gnashing teeth and wailing "Woe is me", or those seeking to actually stand up for principles and make changes?
people like you want others to run your revolution for you while you stand on the side lines.
:BTW i noticed that you did not address any of my points, so I guess that is your way of admitting I am right.
So?....How do you have a school that is both godless and God-centered, and thoroughly integrates the religious belief of every child into the curriculum?
Hm?
How do you have a government school that is both socialist-funded and not socialist funded.
OooooKaaay? ....What would this school look like?
Actually I don't "believe" it is possible, I know it is.
So?....How do you have a school that is both godless and God-centered, and thoroughly integrates the religious belief of every child into the curriculum? Hm? again with the false dichotomy! Do you understand the rules of debate?You do understand that it is possible to incorporate religious values with out jamming them down some one throat.
Can I assume that since public schools are based on the Protestant model that you think protestants are godless. (This sithe second time I am offering you the option to retract your previous statement. failure to do so will result in my following hte legal adage of 'Silence implies consent."
How do you have a government school that is both socialist-funded and not socialist funded.Can you document that schools are "Socialist funded?" I showed how they are publically funded, you have failed to document anything to refute that. OooooKaaay? ....What would this school look like?
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