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Gays aren't "born that way" -- a lesbian says so
RenewAmerica.com ^ | Sept. 14, 2011 | Bryan Fischer

Posted on 09/14/2011 1:00:46 PM PDT by ReformationFan

In an astonishing column published in the winger-left publication, "The Atlantic," openly "queer woman" (her words) Lindsay Miller says flatly, "In direct opposition to both the mainstream gay movement and Lady Gaga, I would like to state for the record that I was not born this way."

Tellingly, she argues that saying people are "born this way" is a form of condescension, and she resents it mightily. "I get frustrated with the veiled condescension of straight people who believe that queers 'can't help it,' and thus should be treated with tolerance and pity."

I've got news for Ms. Miller — it's not straights saying that you can't help it, it is your co-belligerents in the homosexual movement. In the pro-family movement, we entirely agree with you that sexual behavior in the end is always a matter of choice. We have no condescension towards you in the least — we regard you as men and women made in the image of God who are perfectly capable of making responsible and mature decisions regarding your sexuality.

Ms. Miller concludes her piece by saying, "The life I have now is not something I ended up with because I had no other options. Make no mistake — it's a life I chose."

Homosexual activists must be seething at this point, since Ms. Miller has blown their entire civil rights argument — we're just like blacks — to smithereens. Blacks did not choose to be black. Race is immutable, assigned at birth. But homosexuality is not immutable and it is not fixed at birth. Ms. Miller has chosen lesbianism, which means she is perfectly capable of choosing sexual normalcy if she becomes so inclined.

Ms. Miller confirms what Colin Powell said long ago, that the comparison between race and sexual preference is "convenient but invalid."

It's time to send the "born that way" myth to the graveyard of misbegotten ideas, buried in the plot next to the myth that the sun revolves around the earth.

And we don't just need to take Lindsay Miller's word for it. Psychiatrists William Byne and Bruce Parsons wrote in Archives of General Psychiatry (March 1993) that, "Critical review shows the evidence favoring a biologic theory to be lacking ... In fact, the current trend may be to underrate the explanatory power of extant psychosocial models." In other words, nurture plays a greater role in sexual preference than homosexual activists want you to believe.

As Peter Sprigg of the Family Research Council points out, rigorous studies of identical twins have now made it impossible to argue seriously for the theory of genetic determination. If homosexuality were fixed at birth, as the misguided thinking of homosexual activists goes, then if one twin is homosexual, the other should be as well. The "concordance rate" should be 100%.

But it's not. One early proponent of the "born that way" thesis, Michael Bailey, conducted a study on a large sample of Australian twins and discovered to his chagrin that the concordance rate was just 11%.

Peter Bearman and Hannah Bruckner, researchers from Columbia and Yale, looked at data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health and found concordance rates of just 6.7% for male and 5.3% for female identical twins.

They determined that social environment was of far greater significance, and their research led them to reject "genetic influence independent of social context" as an explanation for homosexuality. They concluded, "..[O]ur results support the hypothesis that less gendered socialization in early childhood and preadolescence shapes subsequent same-sex romantic preferences."

As Sprigg observes, "If it was not clear in the 1990's, it certainly is now — no one is 'born gay.'"

The implications, of course, of this simple truth are far-reaching. If homosexual behavior is a choice, then our public policy can freely be shaped by an honest look at whether this behavioral choice is healthy and should be encouraged or unhealthy and dangerous and consequently discouraged.

The elevated health risks associated with homosexuality are by now so well established that not even homosexuals pretend otherwise. The Gay and Lesbian Medical Association warns that active homosexuals are at elevated risks of HIV/AIDS, substance and alcohol abuse, depression and anxiety, hepatitis, a whole range of STDs such as syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, pubic lice, Human Papilloma Virus, and anal papilloma, and prostate, testicular and colon cancer.

Bottom line: this is not behavior that any rational society should condone, endorse, subsidize, reward, promote or sanction in domestic policy or in the marketplace. It's a choice, and a bad one at that. It's long past time for our culture to say a simple and direct "No" to homosexuality and the homosexual agenda.


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To: Dick Holmes
No. The 11% concordance rate for homosexuality between identical twin pairs is within the margin of random error. No significance.
81 posted on 09/14/2011 7:06:24 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: cradle of freedom

She was sad that she was having a boy and not a girl.
I was telling her that it’s actually cheaper to have two children of the same sex, trying to make her feel better (I have two girls but didn’t really care what sex they were, just that they were healthy)

That’s when she gave the line about “making a girl into a boy.”

I found it strange. I found it stranger when she got her boys a china tea set.


82 posted on 09/14/2011 7:20:40 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Are brains “gay”?

Summary:

Scientists have not been able to find clear structural differences between the brains of boys and girls at birth. At that stage of life their properties and functions overlap almost entirely. The same is true for behaviours rather than structures. Male and female behaviour—let alone homosexuality and heterosexuality —is not hard-wired into the brain at birth.

Maternal interactions influence the brain structure and future sexual orientation. This means early hormonal effects on the brain are far from inevitable. In fact, only one quarter of the brain is formed in a new-born child; the rest is developed through learning and experience (environmental input).

We can be confident that whatever male/female differences
exist in adult brains (and, more are constantly being found), they will have been largely shaped by learning and behaviour.

But what learning and experiences do to the brain is not set
in concrete either. Brain cells are replaced in roughly seven year cycles, meaning that new neuron pathways can be formed and old ones reshaped. Intensive exercise, training or imagination changes the brain microstructure.

We are not victims of our biology or the experiences which
shape the detail of our brain. Anatomy is not destiny; change is always possible. The brain is plastic and is in a constant state of change. Indeed the question is rather: what change is not possible?

We would not want to say that the structure of the brain you
were born with has no effect. It has. It can be profound. But that structure can also be profoundly changed, and we don’t yet know the limits.

http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch8.pdf


83 posted on 09/14/2011 7:35:40 PM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: struggle

Is everything heritable evidenced at age 3?


84 posted on 09/14/2011 8:22:55 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: ReformationFan; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; BabaOreally; ...
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Even many homosexuals admit they weren't born that way. Here's another one. She admits she chose to be homosexual.

85 posted on 09/14/2011 8:23:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: scripter

But some freepers will remain unconvinced and will continue in their ignorance.

I often wonder what it will take...


When thirst for truth is more important than holding onto beliefs. That thirst is the greatest treasure in the world. Ain’t nothing like the Truth!!! In all aspects of life.

(greetings!!)


86 posted on 09/14/2011 8:27:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ReformationFan

Perhaps this article should go to every homosexual publication and see if they will print it. Then this article should go to all states contemplating so called homosexual marriage. Who knows? Sanity might come back into this debate and morality might actually come into play as it has for 7000 years.


87 posted on 09/14/2011 9:37:32 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Oatka
When you seen people in high positions who have much to lose soliciting sex in a public restroom, for instance, that's telling me the inborn sexual preferences are kicking in.

nah, that's animal hor**ness kicking in -- whether he's looking for male or female, it signifies zero ability to control their urges.

88 posted on 09/15/2011 2:10:33 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Beelzebubba

The Bible is His “mouthpiece” for His Word.

From your screen name, it appears you believe in satan.

Remember, even satan believes in God, His power and His perfection including God stating CLEARLY homosexuality is a sin and an abomination.

Read His word.

Your disagreement is with God, not me.

Idiot!


89 posted on 09/15/2011 4:17:23 AM PDT by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: little jeremiah

fed up of hearing the crap of we’re born as a woman bla bla when they between their legs

These mentally ill people keep telling themselves this to try and convince themselves they’re normal and that goes for the likes of Megyn Kelly on FOX who likes to defend her elitist Manhattan cocktail pals

You’re born with a penis then you’re a boy end of, no womens clothes etc.
You are now built to have sex with a woman in order to keep the human species going as nature/God intended.


91 posted on 09/15/2011 6:21:22 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he is socially liberal, another phony conservative,1man +1 woman=marriage)
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To: ReformationFan

born gay = birth defect


92 posted on 09/15/2011 6:30:17 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: manc

Manc, if more people spoke up the way you do, our country would be in much better shape! Telling the truth is a revolutionary act. :-)


93 posted on 09/15/2011 6:34:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Beelzebubba

>Is everything heritable evidenced at age 3?

Sex and race are. Sexuality is not.

Another question: If a man has sex exclusively with women, yet claims he is gay, what is he?


94 posted on 09/15/2011 6:44:28 AM PDT by struggle
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To: little jeremiah

I piss some teachers off but in the end I get my way and let them know that I will not stand with social issues like they want me too.

I’ve always told my kids to speak up, never name call and don’t back down, thus far they’re doing a great job.

Yesterday my daughter came home with a folder about what she needs to eat, what she has to do for exercise and I as a parent saw the presidential seal

Right away it got tore up and my daughter said I had to sign it every week and marking off what she is eating.
I told her that it is not anyone business what I feed her, what she does etc and I told her that she cane tell that to this speaker who came into the school and lectured them.
If the person has a problem then they can call me and I’ll tell them to mind their business.
When MO gets that arse smaller and dumps the big wide load then I’ll take note of her slimming agenda until then she can shove it.

I’ve wrote letters to all schools also telling them that my kids will not have their weight, height or anything checked by their nurses, as they have their own Docs.
Thankfully I live in one of the most republican counties and many teachers are old school. You would be amazed at how many teachers say they agree with me , how colleges are sending out kids into public education not prepared and more or less clueless


95 posted on 09/15/2011 6:48:22 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he is socially liberal, another phony conservative,1man +1 woman=marriage)
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To: Signalman; Oatka

Anyone who thinks homosexuals are born that way needs to read this, there are links in the article. Most homosexuals were molested when young.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2730140/posts

Not born this way: The facts, plus help available
Save California ^ | Various authors

Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:48:09 AM by scripter

Without any reputable evidence, the entertainment culture, uneducated media, and sexual activists have seduced today’s teenagers, in particular, to believe that people are born homosexual.

However, science has found no biological basis for homosexuality, bisexuality, or transsexuality.

Study after study has found the “LGBT” lifestyle to be unhealthy, with the highest rate of sexually-transmitted diseases, and higher cancer rates and earlier deaths.

While all people are worthy and valuable, the fact is people are not “born this way,” as a popular song insists.

On this page you will find:

1. The facts on homosexuality
2. Resources to overcome homosexual behavior and gender identity disorder
3. An important video message titled “Does God Love Gay People?”
4. Some personal stories from people who used to live a homosexual lifestyle

Homosexuality is not innate; no biological origin


96 posted on 09/15/2011 7:07:32 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SoldierDad

Well, I have heard about four lesbians claim close to the same thing, only the reasoning was that claiming to be born that way made them sound weak and less tough, than they could be.


97 posted on 09/15/2011 9:56:14 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Sherman Logan

IMO, the problem is not the attraction to the same gender but the behavior. The behaviors that some people attracted to the same gender practice are what’s wrong, and also potentially harmful to them as well.

I could believe that perhaps degrees of vulnerability to feeling same-gender attraction could be related to early childhood development, however, keep in mind that attraction is not completely inseparable from the behaviors which we don’t condone.


98 posted on 09/15/2011 10:00:08 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: struggle
Another question: If a man has sex exclusively with women, yet claims he is gay, what is he?

A metro-sexual? A liberal? A liar?

99 posted on 09/15/2011 10:24:36 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: TBP

Many mentally ill people are born that way.

Schizophrenics, for example, actually all have a brain structure in common—larger cavities in certain parts of the brain.

You can’t choose to be schizophrenic, you are. It simply is your nature. Some patients manifest earlier, others later.

HOWEVER

Schizophrenia is a DISORDER! You can choose to get treatment for it and you will always struggle with it but it is not NORMAL and it is not GOOD.

Homosexuality is best described not as a choice, but a mental disorder as it had been for a long time. Sure, you have the disorder, but you have the option for treatment. A schizophrenic who is a danger to themselves or others is locked away—if they are dangerous and refuse treatment then they deal with the consequences. In fact, some schizophrenics receive forced treatments (court order).

where is the schizophrenic pride??? :)

The disorder of homosexuality may not always be a choice; the choice is whether you treat it or not.

What do you think—is this a plausible way of looking at it?


100 posted on 09/15/2011 7:11:43 PM PDT by Conservaliberty (Ancient Chinese Curse: "May you live in interesting times....and may you always get what you want.")
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