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Posted on 09/13/2011 3:01:25 AM PDT by xjcsa
A complicated attack involving multiple gunmen and apparent suicide bombers was underway in the heart of the Afghan capital Tuesday morning, and it appeared to be focused near the U.S. Embassy.
CBS News staff in Kabul reported hearing heavy gunfire and at least seven explosions, some of them large. The situation was described as "chaotic", and it remained unclear how many people were wounded.
A Taliban spokesman claimed there were several militants inside at least one building near the embassy district in Kabul, and that the targets of the attack were Afghan government ministries and the intelligence services.
The Taliban's primary website ran a statement Tuesday morning saying "Operation Martyrdom" was underway in the Afghan capital.
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
Not quite yet. We first need pro-Taliban radicals in the Democratic party to cut off all aid to the current Afghan government.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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Say it ain’t so.... /s =.=
Time for some multitasking in what is sure to be a target rich environment.
Well said.
I think it also take a bit of intelligence as well, which these mutts apparently don’t seem to have a whole lot of.
Was this the ‘moderate Taliban’ our president has discussed?
This taking place just two days after Obama announces on 9/11 he’s given the Taliban recognized formal seating at his negotion table in Qutar...
Even if we were able to suppress Islam in both Afghanistan and Iraq for a couple of generations, at the end, Islam will become resurgent. Just take a look at once Secular Turkey flexing their military muscle over Israel right now.
...and we had to kill literally millions of them - military and civilian alike, and resort to nuclear weapons to make them understand that they were beaten and had no choice but to change their ways or become extinct.
Islam, radical or otherwise, has no such threat hanging over their heads so they will keep fighting and expanding their influence until we The West re-develop the stomach to truly do what needs to be done. Whether or not we can set aside our bread and circuses long enough to prevent our own extinction as a culture is an open question.
Robert Goldman (Spengler) made a good point about Islam: it will collapse under its own weight as it meets modernity, something that it can no longer avoid doing because of modern communications and technology. Islam is anti-rational (which was the point the Pope tried to make at Regensburg, until the press sallied forth to defend Islam and confuse things). Islam does not believe that the visible world is predictable, since its all-powerful god is irrational, arbitrary and not even bound by his own laws, and could at any time decide to make the rivers run backwards simply because he felt like it.
Obviously, something like this is not going to be able to survive, and something that spawns the irrational, repressive societies that are Muslim countries is also not going to hold up against the demands of modern people, who whether they know it or not have adopted the Judeo-Christian belief in natural law and the dignity of man.
BUT the thing that is keeping it from collapsing on its own is precisely the West, theoretically its enemy. We shored up Islam in Iraq, we’re doing the same thing in Afghanistan, and the US has supported every one of these “Arab spring” revolutions which are essentially about the reimposition of sharia and full Islamic society in places which, while they may have been horrid dictatorships, were moving away from it.
Look at Libya, where Bambi has our soldiers “advising” and to which we are channeling money - and the new government’s announcement yesterday that the country will be run based on Islam and Islamic law. Same with Egypt and everywhere else in the ME. Islam would have collapsed even there if we had not shored it up.
what the alirufhoiueh723978e6r!!!! are we doing there? After 10 years and WE’RE the ones being attacked! bring the troops home and let afghanistan rot!!
Obama is in the process of totally losing this thing.
Pray for our troops.
Praying for the safety of those at the Embassy.
You cannot just "give" a people freedom and democracy....especially when the one main, uniting tenet of their lives' is islam
I believe you are correct on both counts.
When I was over there back in 2003, I was able to talk to some younger (teenage, early to mid 20s) Afghans. Every one of them that I talked to wanted to rid themselves of the old oppressive culture, and join the rest of the world in the 21st century. The could see, via videos and TV and what not, what was available outside of Afghanistan, and they wanted to participate. The girls were surprisingly vocal: "Burqas bad, Taliban bad, Mullahs bad". That kind of thing.
One of my interpreters once told me that ridding themselves of [the old regime] was their fight, and they knew that in the end it would be up to them to make Afghanistan what it could be, but that [at the time] they were grateful for our help.
I agree that it is going to take a couple of generations for all of this to occur. The old mullahs and tribal leaders and war lords, and everyone else who has a vested interest in maintaining "the old ways" is going to have to die off or be rendered irrelevant, and the younger folks take their turn, before we see significant changes. But if the people I talked to were any indication, I believe there is a chance.
I agree, Roccus. I wouldn’t have agreed before the experience of Iraq and Afghanistan, but I agree now.
The truth of it all is that Islam was the enemy, is the enemy, and always will be the enemy. Our liberal, moral relativist and multi culti “leaders” will not accept that, and therefore every one of these nation building exercises is doomed to failure.
Democracy is antithetical to Islam. Islam must be marginalized in a state or that state will become a theocracy.
We don’t have the balls to say “our society is superior, and your Islamic society sucks, but that’s your gig. Don’t mess with us.”
A “War on Terror” is asinine in concept, unlimited in scope, and can be directed at anyone the government says is a terrorist.
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And at ISAF HQ. My hubby is there.
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