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Where will we draw the line?
When will we say enough??
What will finally provoke spontaneous direction action???
Posted on 08/22/2011 4:53:03 PM PDT by Kaslin
Energy: It won't matter which light bulbs we use as the administration's implementation of cross-state pollution rules shuts down coal plants across the country. Where will the jobs be when the lights go out?
It's called the Cross-State Pollution Rule, announced last month, and its implementation over the next 18 months will likely result in the loss of a fifth of the nation's electricity-generating capacity.
The result will be likely power shortages, skyrocketing rates and inevitable brownouts and rolling blackouts.
Based on Bush-era EPA proposals that the federal courts threw out in 2008, this latest example of legislation is designed to usurp state powers to regulate their in-state emissions by making it a federal issue on the grounds pollution crosses state lines.
The rule requires coal companies in 27 states to slash emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide by 73% and 54%, respectively, from 2005 levels by 2014. "Just because wind and weather will carry air pollution away from its source at a local power plant doesn't mean that pollution is no longer that plant's responsibility," says Environmental Protection Agency Chief Lisa Jackson.
The targets are states such as Texas that not only resist federal encroachment on their powers but dare to try to balance environmental quality. The EPA claims huge health gains as its justification, but those claims are in doubt. Poverty and joblessness, which this and other EPA rules will create, carry their own health risks.
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Survival ping.
Time for a new President who'll immediately RIF the Red/Green Clintonoid Obamabots out of the EPA and knock down just a ton of its functions and personnel.
Convenience of the Government, and all.
If La Cygne gets shut down, it will be very dark and intemperate for a large part of eastern KS and western MO.
Mark
Washington DC gets its power from the regional grid. If that regional grid goes down, getting it back up is not like flipping a switch. Not to mention the mayhem that could occur in the dark - they flash mob stores when the lights are on!
If I were up there, I’d be stocking up for years ahead on wood and using a box stove. ...but not the stove at Harbor Freight (the Chinaman store). The big lid on top falls off of that stove too easily, when it’s slid to the side for opening. A big wood furnace would be nice for a bigger house, for anyone who could afford it. As for lights, LED bulbs work in cold weather (unlike florescents) and might save on electric bills. They should last a long time, too, but they’re still expensive (ones I’ve seen about $30, give or take).
Steam engines are fun, but they’re also very regulated and expensive.
You think the riots in England were bad, wait till US cities go dark. It will be a friggen free-for-all like you have never seen.
Driving on the Navajo reservation, it is not uncommon to see little old ladies on the sides of the road selling coal.
The government doesn't hate us. It just wants to make sure the we have no doubt exactly who's in charge. And if that means eliminating the "undesirables..." Well, no big deal, since they're undesirable anyway, right?
Mark
Cruise through West Texas, you’ll more WindGen than anywhere else in USA.
Everyone including Perry knows its not reliable, but pretty cheap where you have lots of wind.
Why woudln’t Perry talk nice about a big private industry in Texas? No where has Perry praised it as being the ANSWER, its just another answer that goes along with coal, lignite and Natural Gas.
The major problem with more Wind Gen is transmission and Perry didn’t mandate Elect. Companies build lines to either king Ranch or T-Boone’s field of wind dreams.
With a majority of Generation in Texas from coal and lignite, I will not be surprised when Perry tells the EPA and nobama to Don’T Mess With Texas on their latest progressive crap. And equally unsurprised when nobama backs down.
In a way I think this EPA rule on such short and unreasonable notice, being just another nobama scare tactic which they will not enforce in an election year.
When Pangaea rifted beginning in the Triassic (the Triassic exposures in the Hudson River bluffs near New York City are part of this system), the spreading center was located to the east, and the rift developed to the east over the spreading center, of the old suture. Therefore, most of Georgia used to be part of the Moroccan continental shelf.
There are rifted Paleozoic basins to the east and south of the Hercynian suture (called the Broward Fault Zone, in Georgia and North Carolina, which is located underneath the Chattahoochee River where it flows NE-SW through suburban Atlanta, at the foot of Vinings Mountain). These wrench-fold basins formed during the convergence, suturing and deformation of the African shelf of the Mississippian and Pennsylvanian Periods.
The halves of the basins that remained with Africa produce hydrocarbons (in Algeria, e.g.), but are "immature" in terms of their kerogen-maturation histories.
Close to the suture, heat flow from the convergence cycle has "fried" the sedimentary column (which is largely low-grade metamorphics now in the Piedmont: which is why the Piedmont is the Piedmont, and the Fall Line exists at the boundary of the Paleozoic metasediments and the unconsolidated Cretaceous and Tertiary sediments of the Atlantic Coastal Plain).
In between Africa and the Piedmont there is a broad belt of thermally mature, rifted half-basins which have been outlined structurally by interrupted exploration in the 70's but are still largely unexplored because of political interference (NIMBY politics). The SE Georgia Embayment is one of these old wrench-folded basins, and it lies just offshore Savannah, Georgia, and a historically underserved (and overpriced) natural-gas market whose utilities continue to burn coal as a result.
Irrespective of shale-trend hydrocarbon exploration, the basins (and their shales) of the Atlantic margin are a very fat exploration target that has been "on the shelf" politically and underexplored for 50 years.
And that private industry intends to feed on the rest on the nation like a vampire. Why build manufacturing plants if you don’t intend to sell the windmills.
You are correct. About 9% of CURRENT coal sources going under.
Here is what is disturbing. New coal mines in 5 years - 0.
Shutting down now -3.
One billion dollar (10 year project) steel mill in Clairton, PA off the books (US STEEL) because of no coal available from WVA.
It would show the fallacy of the liberals green power and maybe finally wake the sheeple up.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
And they will blame it on somebody, or something, else. They will never accept blame for anything they screw up.
They are little rebellious children playing in the real world, and they mistakenly have been given great power over regular people.
They are slack-jawed idiots in expensive suits.
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That is what capacity factor measures. For example if you need and buy a 1MW turbine and only get 350KW your not getting your dollars worth.
Wind Turbines of all types are maintenance headaches.
This thread was about the EPA regulations closing coal plants. Wind turbines and Solar are nothing more than tax dodges that can not compete without huge subsidies even on a small scale. If you want one that is fine but don't expect me to pay for either one.
??? I was down on the King Ranch earlier this year. They told me that the King Ranch was fighting against wind turbines; didn't want them on their ranch or nearby.
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