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In All Seriousness, What If Barack Obama Is Right? (Redstate.com)
RedState.com ^ | August 8, 2011 | Erik Erikson

Posted on 08/09/2011 9:29:38 PM PDT by lbryce

Seriously. All you people on left and right, suspend your disbelief for one minute. Seriously.

What if Barack Obama was right and S&P just got it wrong.

Here’s what I’m hearing and it gives credence to this theory.

S&P, I’m told, began telling some of its clients about the downgrade on Friday morning. That’s why the market was so screwed up on Friday.

By Friday afternoon, the Treasury Department told S&P it had made a $2 trillion math mistake.

But S&P had already told its clients about the downgrade. So it couldn’t walk it back now without a major loss of confidence in its credibility. Could you imagine that conversation? “Hey . . . um . . . Joe. Yeah, Charlie here from S&P. So . . .um . . . we made a $2 trillion math mistake in our downgrade analysis. . . . What’s that? You just lost $500 million in the market because of it? Oh . . . um . . . sorry Joe. Better luck next time.”

So it had to come up with a different reason.

It’s reason? Acrimony in Washington — in other words, nothing to do with the U.S.A.’s ability to pay its debts or financial issues, just typical Washington politics. And it couched its statement in such a way that the tea party movement could say, “see, see, we told you Washington needed more cuts,” and the left could say, “see, see, we told you we needed tax increases.”

Acrimony in Washington is nothing new. Despite a lot of rhetoric about compromise this past week, it is a feature, not a bug, of the American system of government. And major debt and growing deficits are nothing new. And they are bipartisan, pre-existing, long term, and long existing problems.

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To: lbryce
In All Seriousness, What If Barack Obama Is Right?

First time for everything umm my ears still ring. Chug-a-lug Chug-a-lug. Make u wanna holla hidy hoe, Burns your tummy don't you know. Chug-a-lug chug-a-lug

21 posted on 08/09/2011 9:56:05 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: lbryce

Actually S & P got it wrong.. America should be downgraded much lower..
Heck we have a Marxist President.. trying to dismantle our whole system..


22 posted on 08/09/2011 9:57:47 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: lbryce
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Misplaced a decimal point?

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23 posted on 08/09/2011 9:59:25 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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To: DB

Yep, credit agencies or not, we are staring into the financial abyss. The downgrades are LONG overdue.


24 posted on 08/09/2011 10:04:07 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: lbryce
"What If Barack Obama Is Right? "

neither he, nor any one in his administration has been right about anything yet. This would be a long shot. I'm guessing Vegas odds makers would give it little hope.

25 posted on 08/09/2011 10:06:56 PM PDT by Baynative (If the government was in charge of the desert , we'd soon have a shortage of sand.)
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To: JrsyJack
Pardon my naivete but wouldn’t divulging a not yet public rating change, and more importantly, trading on that knowledge be a violation of securities laws?

Yes, it would be a felony.

26 posted on 08/09/2011 10:09:13 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: lbryce
For starters, why in the heck did S&P send their downgrade to the White Hut for peer review ?

Also, they were the third down grader.

Which Rating Agency Downgraded the U.S. First? Not S&P

27 posted on 08/09/2011 10:10:04 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: ThomasThomas

Moody’s and Fitch have been warning also. Is that part of the conspiracy?


28 posted on 08/09/2011 10:13:11 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin ("Credit is the ruination of a nation")
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To: lbryce

That’s demented. Thieving preverts cannot hide the depths to which the debt regime has sunk. The longer the delusional dependents of outrageously high government incomes and pensions cling to it, the more dangerous the environment will be for them after repudiation.


29 posted on 08/09/2011 10:35:55 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a noisy avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Steel Wolf
LOL! This has to be the post of the week.

Thank you for taking a depressing situation and injecting some very much needed humor into it.

Crayon scribbled napkin....love it!

30 posted on 08/09/2011 10:39:37 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often,)
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To: lbryce
if the White House is right and this is what happened, why the hell is David Axelrod out blaming the Tea Party Movement.

And you wonder why they are called RATs?

31 posted on 08/09/2011 10:52:50 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama get our AAA back.)
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To: JrsyJack
...The fact that trading is all done electronically and in nano-seconds, it's possible to buy short, wait for a profit and sell a second before a fall. Of course, a bit of inside info is a plus...

...Then again, I could be dead wrong...

32 posted on 08/09/2011 10:59:33 PM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: volunbeer
The only reason I can find is the excess liquidity pushed into the market by the Fed/Treasury.

Bingo! This is what I've been saying. The stock market is nothing but a parking place for money. Did you note how the DOW followed the Euro in this latest oscillation? I admit that it is not always proportional, but the DOW will not go up without a rise in the Euro against the dollar. The whole thing is so disconnected from any sort of quotidian idea of "economics" that it's downright scary.

33 posted on 08/09/2011 11:01:12 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: lbryce

In all seriousness, you must be joking.


34 posted on 08/09/2011 11:06:20 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: lbryce

The US should have been downgraded two years ago. The math in out years really doesn’t matter—the problem is so bad now that a 2 trillion dollar error doesn’t make a difference. Give Obama the 2 trillion. We still have a huge debt problem.

BTW, S&P downgraded a bunch of Muni’s today based on it’s downgrade of the Feds. This was after they knew about Zero’s two trillion dollar claim.


35 posted on 08/09/2011 11:43:41 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: lbryce

Fact is the US debt is about 94% of GDP. Therefore, by definition really, downgrade is a given. Case closed.


36 posted on 08/09/2011 11:45:11 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: lbryce
I just got the latest "Trend Alert" from Gerald Celente earlier tonight.

Here's an excerpt from what it stated.

In forecasting the collapse well in advance, Celente provided an accurate timeline and supported his conclusions with quantifiable data and in-depth analysis. However, now that the collapse is underway, history is already being brazenly reengineered, right in front of our eyes. Blaming the S&P downgrade for triggering the global sell-off/financial panic – as the majority of pundits are doing – is as bogus as blaming the onset of World War I on the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. The downgrade was no more than the proverbial last straw that broke the nation’s financial back.

True to form, the economic propaganda mill is churning at full speed and the media coverage is mostly “bull.” Tune into any business show, pick up any newspaper and what you will get is the economic equivalent of the notorious 9/11 advice from the authorities as people fled the World Trade Center: “Go back to your offices, the fire in the North Tower is under control.”

So now, with some $8 trillion of equity destroyed in just a few days, the authoritative counsel is: “The market is oversold. Get back in. It’s a buying opportunity.”

37 posted on 08/09/2011 11:52:11 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: lbryce

I heard it wasn’t a math mistake. S&P used 5% for the inflation rate and the White House wanted them to use 2.5%. So the “mistake” amounted to S&P following their rules and not the White House rules.


38 posted on 08/10/2011 12:01:56 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: lbryce

Here’s a link to the article...

http://m.foxbusiness.com/quickPage.html?page=32811&content=54687209&pageNum=-1


39 posted on 08/10/2011 12:18:55 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: lbryce

Well, I’m sure if this downgrade had occurred when George W. Gush was in the White House, I’m sure NO Democrat would be saying that the S&P downgrade didn’t matter. ;o)


40 posted on 08/10/2011 1:04:24 AM PDT by SuziQ
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