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Posted on 08/04/2011 8:41:36 AM PDT by MizSterious
The West Texas jury deciding the fate of polygamy cult leader Warren Jeffs listened through headphones to 21 minutes of heavy breathing yesterday. Some in the room wept. Others held their hands over their mouths. The X-rated recording, a cornerstone of the state’s child-sex-assault case, allegedly chronicled Jeffs’ encounter with a 12-year-old girl, an episode that ended with the self-proclaimed prophet declaring, “In Jesus Christ, amen.”
The jurors heard an almost inaudible voice. “Amen,” echoed the child.
It got worse. According to prosecutors, Jeffs and his new “celestial wife” were not alone. A dozen of his most trusted men were witnesses to the “sealing.” It was a family affair: At least one of Jeffs’ other wives, his purported favorite, Naomi, was also in the room. “What are you feeling?” Jeffs asked the girl. And in a moment that froze everyone in the courtroom, she answered meekly, “Very well, thank you.”
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
In most States girls as young as 14 can be married under parental consent. In Massachusetts a girl w/ parental consent can marry as young as 12 years old.
So my question is this: Should parental consent marriage laws all over the US be overturned?
As I understand it Jeff’s did have parental consent. This could all turn on if he was legally married to the girls at the time of consummation. If he was legally married (after legally divorcing the prior wife) under they rule of State law could he still be prosecuted?
While technically being recognized as an adult at those ages in Hebrew culture, that does NOT mean that they were married off at that age.
That is a disgusting stealth attempt to justify that disgusting behavior.
Not only that, but the child rape defenders who use that argument don't know for a fact that it was common practice in the past or in other cultures to marry off kids of that age. Just because it happened on some occasions, does not mean that it was the blanket rule or practice and it cannot be assumed to be the norm when there is no hard evidence to support it. Making ASSumptions does not count.
And it is NO justification for any of this.
Are you Mormon? Or FLDS? Or some other flavor of LDS?
So you support child rape?
And ps, check the Texas laws as to age of consent. This happened in Texas, not some other state.
You are right, Metmom. God has nothing to do with this. If this cult chooses to ask Him for forgiveness, that is between them. Plain and simple. To do this in what is called religion... adds insult to injury. I’ve known a handful of women who dealt with sexual abuse as children. To be frank, something was taken from them... I can’t really describe it other than a small piece of their soul. As adults, two were on medication and the other one was a cutter/had been hospitalized many times for suicide attempts/breaks with reality etc... I am not saying that every child grows up completely damaged almost beyond repair. What I am saying is that it is not a “one time event” that can be shoved away like an old pair of shoes. It haunts them and can destroy them. That is why this type of thing infuriates me... it is more than the initial abuse. It robs them of something precious.
Or on LSD?
Looks to me like we have another child rape defender.
It makes me sick to see them haunting a conservative forum like FR.
Yeah, sure makes FR look bad. No doubt some talk show host will be quoting some of these to prove all of FR is like this minority we’re seeing today.
Ignore them. We’ve heard it all before.
In the meantime Katy Vine has a good write up in Texas Monthly summarizing Aug 2 and 3. She describes reaction in the Courtroom and the jury’s body language.
As always - she’s amusing.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2011-08-01/webextra6.php
I’m going to be sick........
That poor jury. They’ll NEVER be able to forget what they’ve seen and heard there.
I hope God has mercy on THEIR souls and cleanses their minds from that pollution.
“As I understand it Jeff’s did have parental consent. This could all turn on if he was legally married to the girls at the time of consummation.”
They were probably “spiritual” marriages rather than anything legal. I agree though, 14 was not all that unusual a century or more ago particularly where economic necessity required it, although the average was still around 20, but I don’t think today’s young people have the maturity or common sense they had back then, necessity or not. With that said, an old dude messing with girls that young just ain’t right. Course, if the guy were a muslim, he would probably not be in court now.
InSession In Session
Closings are over and the jury is now deliberating in the #WarrenJeffs trial.
2 minutes ago
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Jeffs is nothing more than a disgusting pedophile child rapist and everyone who helped him in any way is an accessory. They should all be in prison (actually in my view child rapists should receive the death penalty, he richly deserves it).
In Laura Ingalls Wilder books she describes a friend (or I think cousin) who married at 13 - to a YOUNG MAN OF HER CHOICE. Laura’s parents thought it too young, as did Laura, but it was at that time culturally acceptable. I read freepers commenting that their grandparents often married young - as young as 14 for the grandmother, later teens or early 20s for grandfather.
There is a HUGE GIANT GULF OF DIFFERENCE between the young marriages described above and the vile and criminal pedophilia practiced by Jeffs and who knows who else in that LDS pervert cult.
That anyone can defend such child rape which is if possible worse because done in the name of religion is vomit inducing.
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Child rape as practiced by this LDS splinter group is being whitewashed as "polygamy". It is merely child rape, even worse, under the guise of "religion". Opening the door to same sex marriage will eventually legalize these kinds of crimes; keep in mind that one of the goals of the "gay" agenda is lowering or even removal of all age of consent laws.
Polygamist leader’s Texas trial goes to jury
By WILL WEISSERT Associated Press © 2011 The Associated Press
SAN ANGELO, Texas — The child sexual assault case against polygamist leader Warren Jeffs has gone to the jury.
Jeffs acted as his own attorney and stood mute during nearly all 30 minutes Thursday of his allotted time for a closing argument. At one point he mumbled, “I am peace,” and said no more.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7683435.html
In Session on TruTV also reports that he sat silent for his 30 minutes; when his time was up, the judge said, The Defense rests. During that time, the In Session reporter also says the tried to stare down the jury, one by one. However, not a single one of them averted their gaze.
I love Texas!
Any adult who knew about or helped in any way this or other rapes deserves prison time.
I’d also like to ping you to a most interesting post by conservativegreatgrandma on another thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2757802/posts?page=88#88
We are instructed to forgive those who trespass against us, as individuals. It is not possible to forgive people who trespass against others. It is those who were trespassed against’s job.
I know that’s bad grammar but I can’t figure out the right way to say it.
I understand what you mean. Only the person offended has the power to forgive. We cannot forgive on another’s behalf.
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