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Who Is The Fanatic When It Comes to Gun Control?
JPFO ^ | 29 July, 2011 | Charles Heller

Posted on 08/03/2011 6:04:11 AM PDT by marktwain

Washington, DC --(Ammoland.com)- Colin Goddard, the misguided Virginia Tech shooting victim who has turned to the Brady Center to Promote Gun Violence for solace, said in a recent post about the Oslo Shooting: “Unfortunately, I was soon infuriated by the gun fanatics in America who immediately used this massacre to assert that strong gun laws, like Norway’s, don’t work.”

Well, if you look at the case of Anders Behring Breivik, Norway’s ludicrous “gun control” laws don’t and didn’t work.

So, the first question is: Who, Mr. Goddard, is actually the fanatic in this case? Is it common sense self defense advocates, or emotionally convoluted knee-jerk hysterics?

It is a statistical fact that mass shooters nearly always capitulate to armed resistance.

* It happened in 2007 with the Arvada Colorado Shooting, when Jeanne Assam confronted and shot a heavily armed attacker. The attacker then shot and killed himself. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Assam

* It happened in 2002 at the Appalachian Law School Shooting, when two armed civilians stopped a killer on campus. www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/01/13/lang.htm

Further, when Norwegian Anders Breivik was eventually confronted with deadly force by a SWAT team, he immediately surrendered. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that he would have done any less for a determined armed civilian.

Let me explain why the Brady Center’s poster boy, Mr. Goddard, embraces methods that are fanatical: He advocates for victim disarmament, in the face of irrefutable evidence that said disarmament actually allows for greater harm to innocent people. www.freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/04/when-mass-killers-meet-armed-resistance.html

What he advocates is a decreasing of arms in the civilian population. That’s exactly what gives free reign to evil doers who use guns unlawfully. Is that not the advocacy of a fanatic?

I have met Mr. Goddard at a screening of his “Living For 32″ movie at the University of Arizona in Tucson. A number of us from The Arizona Citizens Defense League attended his event.

Mr. Goddard was in the final room that The Virginia Tech Shooter attacked, and was present when Seung-Hui Cho ended the shooting spree by suicide.

Mr. Goddard described to us all in Tucson how his classmates at Virginia Tech heard the noise of the gun shots, and at first thought it was construction noise. They then heard the noise getting louder, and the teacher opened the door to look, suddenly slamming it shut and telling everyone to get on the floor and dial 911, that there was a man with a gun approaching. Mr. Goddard did so, opened his back pack, retrieved his cell phone, and got through to 911 before he was shot four times by Cho.

Just before the screening of his movie in Tucson, I asked Mr. Goddard: “If there had been a police officer, off duty with his gun sitting next to you, do you think he could have drawn and engaged the shooter with that amount of warning?” (Understand also that Mr. Goddard was an ROTC Cadet, familiar with arms and tactics, and experienced on the M-16 rifle.)

Mr. Goddard’s response to me was, “I have war gamed that over and over in my mind, and I just don’t know.”

It simply has to be said: Mr. Goddard, this is a truly pitiful response.

You seem to be under a hypnotic trance. Do you now actually embrace the lie that holds you hostage?

Think about Mr. Goddard’s reply. He does not know if a police officer could neutralize a deadly threat with about 50 seconds of warning? This from cover, with the assailant coming through a known and restricted entry point?

Or does Mr. Goddard KNOW, deep in his heart, that something actually might have been done to stop Cho? Instead of facing this harsh truth, has he slipped into delusional fanaticism? Is he now so hysterically committed to victim disarmament that he cannot admit that a gun in the hand of a righteous man or woman could have saved innocent lives?

Goddard asserts that the “gun lobby” says that the gun laws in Norway “did not work”?

Well, we at JPFO, a twenty-one-year-old civil rights advocate, and proud of it, point out that the gun laws in Norway worked all too well … in lunatic Anders Breivik’s favor. These deluded laws disarmed the victims, and completely enabled the perpetrator. That is what ALL “gun control” laws do.

Mr. Goddard asserts that the “gun lobby” is, in essence, dancing in the blood of the victims. The truth is that’s exactly what he, and his cohorts and handlers at the Brady Center To Promote Gun Violence, are doing. Just like their victim vulture response to the Giffords shooting in Arizona, it’s to their advantage to do so.

The strategy is called “transference,” a defense mechanism in which the user ascribes to his opponent the exact strategy which he, himself, is using.

Unknowing or unthinking readers, taking those statements – blatant lies -- at face value, will believe them, without questioning the framing bias of the person making the statement. Anders Behring Breivik

Crazy is as crazy does: Breivik posing in a compression garment in a photo released six hours before the attacks. The insignia on his left shoulder reads: "Marxist Hunter - Norway - Multiculti traitor hunting permit".

The fact is that Norwegian gun laws completely enabled Breivik’s agenda. Not one armed adult, moderator, or chaperone, was present with a gun to stop the unlawful violence with deadly force. Had the Norwegian socialist utopians not had their way, and there had been just a single armed protector on that island, that murdering monster might have been dead after getting off only one shot.

As it was, Breivik had NINETY MINUTES to work his blood lust. Now the Norwegian authorities have the gall to actually praise the bumbling efforts of the police? This is utterly upside-down thinking that verges on insanity!

Armed self defense works.

* It worked in 2008 at Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva, where a part time student and off duty soldier stopped a mass killing with a handgun. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre.

* It worked in 1997 in Pearl, Mississippi when Assistant Principal Joel Myrick used a gun at a school to stop a killer. www.davekopel.com/2a/othwr/principal&gun.htm

We would also like to point out that the clamor for background checks has been heard far and wide. Well, Norway’s Anders Breivik had a very thorough one.

* So did Jared Loughner, the Tucson madman who shot Congresswoman Giffords and seventeen other people January 8th of this year.

* So did Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech attacker who put four bullets in Mr. Goddard.

Do we see a pattern here? Background checks don’t work. Madmen and criminals, no matter what gun laws exist, will ALWAYS be able to arm themselves.

We don’t think that Mr. Goddard of Virginia Tech has evil intentions, just wrongful methods. It is perhaps right to remind ourselves of the terrific trauma he suffered from both his wounds and the event itself. It would be absolutely normal for a thinking person to feel misplaced guilt at the horrific impotence of not being able to do anything in such a ghastly situation.

But how he was “turned” by the Brady Bunch, and made their poster boy, befuddles me. One would think that a man contemplating a military career (ROTC), and familiar with firearms, would have come out of that horror completely enraged at the impotence inflicted upon him by idiotic and dangerous “gun control” laws. As he was taken to the hospital, he must have been screaming to himself: “If I’d only had a gun!”

So there remains but one question, Mr. Goddard: Are you going to allow lawful citizens to shoot violent criminal actors, or are you going to continue to bury dead children, gunned down unchallenged because of “gun control”?

A curious world awaits your answer.

Respectfully, Charles Heller Executive Director, JPFO.

About: Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms Ownership Mission is to destroy “gun control” and to encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for everyone. Those are the twin goals of Wisconsin-based Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO). Founded by Jews and initially aimed at educating the Jewish community about the historical evils that Jews have suffered when they have been disarmed, JPFO has always welcomed persons of all religious beliefs who share a common goal of opposing and reversing victim disarmament policies while advancing liberty for all.

JPFO is a non-profit tax-exempt educational civil rights organization, not a lobby. JPFO’s products and programs reach out to as many segments of the American people as possible, using bold tactics without compromise on fundamental principles. Visit www.JPFO.org – Copyright JPFO 2011


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
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To: cripplecreek

Go out and get one anyway. It’s better to have it, and not need it, than need it, and not have it.


21 posted on 08/03/2011 6:59:47 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: LowOiL

LOL There are more guns in my town than people. My closest neighbor has dozens. He lets my use one of his 20 gauge shotguns when we go bunny hunting on the farm he owns a few miles away. We also do a fair amount of garden trading with each other and lots of other locals.


22 posted on 08/03/2011 7:03:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
Terrorist generally don't let people in on their plans.

Let them touch off a dirty bomb in a major city or two, and you will find your sleepy little town isn't so sleepy anymore. Ten's of millions of people will begin fleeing the cities.

The chaos that follows these type of attacks will make the chaos of people fleeing a hurricane look like a walk in the park.

23 posted on 08/03/2011 7:06:11 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Then I can spare the few minutes it will take for me to get a gun.

BTW city people don’t flee, they wait to be saved.


24 posted on 08/03/2011 7:08:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: IMR 4350

I’ve recently heard a different theory about where the hoards will be going.
This scenario doesn’t involve escaping a terrorist attack on a major city, but involves economic collapse and disruption of food distribution.

Where will the gov’t “aid” be located? In the cities and military bases. That’s where the hoards will be going to find “help”. These are the places to avoid.


25 posted on 08/03/2011 7:09:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
Too many people are in a state of denial that it can happen here, as if the fanatical left in this country is somehow different than the fanatical left in other countries.
26 posted on 08/03/2011 7:16:33 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: cripplecreek
BTW city people don’t flee, they wait to be saved

I think a lot of the "big" survivalist guys (Rawles) miss this. Or perhaps they're thinking of a different time frame - after it becomes apparent to the most casual observer that help isn't coming.

27 posted on 08/03/2011 7:20:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: cripplecreek
“BTW city people don’t flee, they wait to be saved.”

I live in a small town outside of Houston.

In 2005 I went through hurricane Rita.

In 2008 I went through hurricane Ike.

Don't try and tell me people in cities just sit there and wait to be rescued. Tens of millions don't.

With Rita, I used a shotgun to waived off car loads of gang bangers looking for easy pickings in the panic. Neighbor down the street, I lived in town at the time, also sat on his front porch with a shotgun to let them know there wasn't going to be easy pickings.

28 posted on 08/03/2011 7:32:22 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: cripplecreek

I live in the “Real World”, not La-La land.

How naive can someone be?


29 posted on 08/03/2011 7:34:19 AM PDT by DH
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To: MrB

The smart/useful ones are those who leave the city very early. They’ll be relatively few. If they head for the country they aren’t likely to be looking for trouble and would be welcomed to contribute.

Another thing I think that is often overlooked is that when a mass of people leaves the city, they tend to head right down the interstate toward the next city.

The final group are those who will stay in the city and probably die there.


30 posted on 08/03/2011 7:34:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
I have food stored, I’ve got wood stoves, I’ve got skills, and I’ve got a network of friends and neighbors.

And you are easy meat. Friends and neighbors are not going to be watching your back in the middle of the night. If you've spent that much $$ preparing for a disaster you better get something to protect it with. Gun, knife, sword or club ... arm up.

31 posted on 08/03/2011 7:39:09 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Watch what people DO, not what they say.)
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To: IMR 4350
With Rita, I used a shotgun to waived off car loads of gang bangers looking for easy pickings in the panic. Neighbor down the street, I lived in town at the time, also sat on his front porch with a shotgun to let them know there wasn't going to be easy pickings.

And thus proving exactly what I'm saying. You were severely outnumbered but it was only a short term situation. If it was a long term situation expected to last months or years, only an idiot would stay as people got hungrier and more desperate.
32 posted on 08/03/2011 7:42:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Centurion2000
And you are easy meat.

If you think that way, I'm damn glad you aren't one of my neighbors. You're obviously a little too close to the animal kingdom and would likely be eliminated pretty quickly in my neck of the woods.
33 posted on 08/03/2011 7:46:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 556x45; Oshkalaboomboom
As noted, most people in a crisis of any kind aren't worth spit. I have been present at many fires, floods, industrial accidents that included death and dismemberment, vehicle crashes, home accidents etc. Most people simply lock up and are useless. You cannot train for every event but simple skills can make you more ready to deal mentally with a crisis. Learn to maintain calm. Important in shooting as well as other activities. A calm person is the most in control. Remember the United Airlines flight that crashed in Sioux City? The local Airport fire chief had this ridiculous red suit he put on every time there was a crisis. He was metered and deliberate in his actions. Many made fun of him. On the day of the crash he saved many by simply walking into the mess in his red suit and telling them to follow him out to safety. Lots of survivors credited him with there lives.

One of my favorite lines is from the Terminator movies:

“Come with me if you want to live”.

I have been in two civilian shootings and in both my instinct was to draw first and shoot - for sure saved my life in one. Action beats reaction every time.

34 posted on 08/03/2011 7:50:08 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: marktwain

I’m surprised he left out the Ft. Hood shooter, also stopped by a woman carrying concealed. If not for her, imagine how many would have died. He was just getting started when she confronted him.


35 posted on 08/03/2011 7:51:49 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: MrB

That plan might work in the short term, possibly a couple of weeks or maybe months, but people will be dumping out of the cities heading for the small towns away from the violence.


36 posted on 08/03/2011 7:52:58 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: cripplecreek
Let me clue you in.

With Rita so many people dumped out of the cities along the Gulf Coast there was no where to go or a way to get there.

People trying to get out of the way of the hurricane got stuck on the road for over 24 hours. There was no gas to go any further or go back.

Small towns for hundreds of miles around Houston were swamped with people.

If you think your town will be different, your wrong.

Once the main roads are completely clogged, people will start taking the side roads and back roads not having the slightest idea where they lead. They will be looking for any place they can to get resupplied with fuel, food, and water.

If you think you're going to leave and find a better place than a small town, you're wrong.

Where I live now, it's a mile from the house to my front gate. It's another mile to a paved road. The paved road is a back road and it's another 5 miles to a main highway. From the highway to town in another 4 miles.

People still end up at my front gate lost. Doesn't matter they have to drive by a sign that says dead end, they still end up at my gate. If the gate is left open, they will drive right through it. No trespassing sign means nothing, they still believe that road will take them somewhere.

37 posted on 08/03/2011 8:35:17 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

LOL Obviously you’re a nutjob.


38 posted on 08/03/2011 8:49:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
I do think that way but wouldnt even consider that option. I am a civilized human thank you. The people who will be coming after you on the other hand will be animals and some of them will be cunning.
39 posted on 08/03/2011 9:21:30 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Watch what people DO, not what they say.)
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To: cripplecreek
If my choosing to live on my own property and not live in town makes me a nutjob, then your choosing to depend on your neighbors to take care of you instead of you taking care of yourself makes you a scrounger.

I'd rather be a nutjob than a scrounge.

40 posted on 08/03/2011 9:31:20 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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