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Our Admiral Ackbar Moment — It Is A Trap (Even Rush Limbaugh saying it right now)
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/28/our-admiral-ackbar-moment-%E2%80%94-it-is-a-trap/ ^ | 7/28 | redstate

Posted on 07/28/2011 9:28:56 AM PDT by RummyChick

As you wake up, here is what you need to know.

John Boehner thinks he has the votes to pass his third plan out of the House. Work to make sure he does not by going to http://www.redstate.com/action and calling your member of Congress. Tell them to oppose Boehner’s plan.

Even if you are sympathetic to Boehner’s plan, here is why it must be killed — it is a trap.

Pay attention please.

Harry Reid and all the Senate Democrats have sent John Boehner a letter saying they will oppose his plan in the Senate. In other words, Boehner’s plan, given the GOP votes in the Senate pledged to vote against it, will get less votes in both the House and in the Senate than Cut, Cap, and Balance.

Here, though, is why it is important to kill John Boehner’s plan this very morning before today’s vote.

John Boehner’s plan will get to the Senate. Harry Reid’s plan isn’t even in final form and has not even started making its way through the Senate’s arcane processes. It is a trap.

Harry Reid will amend John Boehner’s plan and include parts of Reid’s own plan that make tax increases even more likely than Boehner’s already does.

Senate Democrats last night were beginning to talk about adding the Gang of Six’s very bad plan to it as well — a trigger that would be engaged should the Democrats then refuse to reform entitlements, i.e. a trigger the Democrats will gladly engage because the Gang of Six plan raises taxes, including getting rid of the employer credit for active duty military reservists and raising the capital gains tax from 15% to 28%.

Then the Senate Democrats will send John Boehner back his own plan and dare John Boehner to kill his very own proposal. Should he try, the GOP will look as hardline and unwilling to compromise as John Boehner’s acolytes have been accusing conservatives of being this week.

In other words, John Boehner, once he sends his plan to the Senate, will yet again get played and the GOP will be forced to either accept Harry Reid’s awful changes or be blamed for causing the nation’s default — the very thing the GOP has sought to avoid.

Oh, and should the GOP fold and pass the modified Boehner plan, they’ll still get blamed for us losing our credit rating. Even with Boehner’s revisions, the Congressional Budget Office says the plan doesn’t cut even $1 trillion. It doesn’t meet S&P’s requirements.

Well done, Republicans.

The only thing we can do is call our congressmen and prevent them from voting for this suicide pact. Go here now.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debt; debtdeal; debtdealtrap; obama; rushlimbaugh
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FOR ALL OF YOU THAT SAID THEY NEEDED TO PASS THE PLAN BLAH BLAH BLAH...READ WHY THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT.

Even Rush Limbaugh is saying this right now.

It's a trap.

1 posted on 07/28/2011 9:29:04 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Club for Growth is opposed also.

Who do I trust: Club for Growth and Rush?

Or Boehner?

This is a no brainer.

Kill it.


2 posted on 07/28/2011 9:31:11 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: RummyChick

3 posted on 07/28/2011 9:33:18 AM PDT by GQuagmire ('Don't Piss The Lady Off')
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To: RummyChick

4 posted on 07/28/2011 9:33:35 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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To: RummyChick

So far the Tea Party is holding the line. Boehner will need Democrat votes to pass it.

If they do intend to heavily modify it to Obama’s liking in the Senate, one would think that House Dems would support it now.


5 posted on 07/28/2011 9:33:43 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: RummyChick

6 posted on 07/28/2011 9:33:54 AM PDT by Bobalu (He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate)
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To: RummyChick; holdonnow; Fudd Fan
Mark Levin is suspicious...

You heard it here first

"I am starting to wonder if staffers for Boehner and Reid are not actually working together, behind the scenes, on these plans. Despite Reid's attacks on Boehner and the letter from all the Senate Democrats saying they reject the Boehner plan, I am just wondering if this is not for public consumption while they come up with some deal that uses the Boehner plan as the keystone. I could be wrong, as I am trying to piece together the games taking place on Capitol Hill. If so, it means that Boehner will be leading feckless freshman and scared conservatives over the edge with this nonsense, as his plan is a joke. Again, just a thought."

7 posted on 07/28/2011 9:34:04 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: RummyChick

damn rinos are screwing this country again.


8 posted on 07/28/2011 9:34:14 AM PDT by dragonblustar (I love Allen West!)
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To: RummyChick

Hearing Rush! Boehner needs to get gone!!!!!


9 posted on 07/28/2011 9:34:44 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Retired Greyhound

You are wrong. The Tea party members are caving. Go read the latest news. Of course, West caved on Tusday...but many are falling in line today.


10 posted on 07/28/2011 9:34:44 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Agreed. We should stick with Cut Cap and Balance, which the House has already passed. The Senate hasn’t discussed it because Reid refused to let them consider it. I wonder why?

Cut Cap and Balance is by no means extreme. In fact, it’s barely a start. But at least it’s a step in the right direction. At least it cuts some of the deficit NOW, instead of kicking the can down the road where they can change their minds and never implement any of the promised cuts—as usual.


11 posted on 07/28/2011 9:34:56 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: RummyChick

The House GOP should go back and vote to pass the 2008 budget. This will defund Obamacare, highlight the fact that the Dems have not passed a budget, and cut on the order of 9+ Trillion over the next 10 years.


12 posted on 07/28/2011 9:35:04 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: RummyChick

Sad that Allen West is fallen for this crap.


13 posted on 07/28/2011 9:35:03 AM PDT by dragonblustar (I love Allen West!)
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To: RummyChick

14 posted on 07/28/2011 9:35:21 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: RummyChick

I already called all of mine yesterday. I was surprised when I got straight through. For pete’s sakes, folks, GET ON THE PHONE!!!!! Tell them to stop the cowardace and HOLD THE LINE!


15 posted on 07/28/2011 9:35:27 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RummyChick

And now, with Allen West proving to be just another politician worried about his re-election (a bitter disappointment), the GOP gets ready to play its familiar role as Chump of the Year. This should be the beginning of the end of Boehner’s speakership because the Republicans who vote for this will lose the House next year as conservatives stay home in droves. They never learn.


16 posted on 07/28/2011 9:36:13 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: RummyChick

And so what would you have the House do? Nothing?

Because ANYTHING they pass is going to get the treatment you outlined.

Somehow, the right just can’t accept that having a majority in ONE house of a bicameral legislature, with no executive power, does not give control — or, in this case, even much influence.

We have no muscle until November, 2012 — and that only if we can stick together and quit tearing each other apart.


17 posted on 07/28/2011 9:36:21 AM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: RummyChick

Then the Senate Democrats will send John Boehner back his own plan and dare John Boehner to kill his very own proposal.

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Oh PLEASE!! If the Senate adds TAX INCREASES and all the other horsebleep you claim then it WILL NO LONGER BE BOEHNERS PLAN, will it?

To illustrate how moronic this is, Boehenr could pass a 4 TRILLION dollar CUT in spending over 3 years with NO tax increases and send it off to the Senate, then if Reid stripped the 4 trillion in cuts OUT and added 4 trillion in TAX INCREASES and sent it back to Boehner, he would have to pass it or be accused of killing his own bill.

Where do you get this thinking from?


18 posted on 07/28/2011 9:36:46 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: RowdyFFC

here is the list that you must call, email or tweet:

There is a toll free number to the White house switchboard. I have posted it in the past.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/07/28/280945/thinkprogress-vote-count-23-house-republicans-publicly-oppose-boehner-plan/

1. Jim Jordan (R-OH) [The Hill]
2. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) [ThinkProgress]
3. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) [The Hill]
4. Tim Huelskamp (R-KS) [The Hill]
5. Jeff Landry (R-LA) [National Review]
6. Phil Gingrey (R-GA) [Twitter]
7. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) [NYT]
8. Tom Graves (R-GA) [Twitter]
9. Louis Gohmert (R-TX) [National Review]
10. Dennis Ross (R-FL) [National Review]
11. Joe Walsh (R-IL) [MSNBC]
12. Steve Southerland (R-FL) [RCP]
13. Ron Paul (R-TX) [Call to office]
14. Paul Broun (R-GA) [Call to office]
15. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) [Twitter]
16. Todd Akin (R-MO) [The Hill]
17. Connie Mack (R-FL) [Politico]
18. Steve King (R-IA) [The Hill]
19. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) [The State]
20. Chuck Fleischmann (R-TN) [Washington Post]
21. Justin Amash (R-MI) [The Hill]
22. Mick Mulvaney (R-SC) [The Hill]
23. Andy Harris (R-MD) [Baltimore Sun]

Additionally, according to the Hill, two additional members — Michael Turner (R-OH) and Paul Gosar (R-AZ) — are leaning no.

Thus far, no House Democrats have publicly supported the Boehner plan.

This morning, Boehner acknowledged, “We do not have the votes yet.” Unless Boehner is able to switch the stated positions of numerous Republicans or attract substantial Democratic support, it’s likely to be a very close vote.


19 posted on 07/28/2011 9:36:55 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: All
Erickson's take at Red State:

All You Need To Know About The House Republicans

One week ago the entire conservative movement was unified behind Cut, Cap, and Balance as was both House and Senate GOP caucus — no small feat to be sure.

Then, because Harry Reid denied CCB a vote through a procedural motion, John Boehner produces a crackpot plan that rips the conservative movement apart at the seams and after taking two stabs at it, still can’t get to the promised $1.2 trillion in cuts he initially claimed it would have.

The bill is being whipped against by Pelosi (which CCB was not) and will likely draw less Dem support than CCB. The bill is said by Reid to be DOA in the Senate.

But Boehner believes that it is strategically smarter to die on this hill and force it down Senate Dems throats rather than try to do that on a bill in which he has the support of all his members, all the movement, and 66 percent of the American people.

These people need to be put in a mental ward.

20 posted on 07/28/2011 9:36:55 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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