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ATF: Gun Ownership is a Privilege, Not a Right
The Truth About Guns ^ | 25 July, 2011 | Robert Farago

Posted on 07/26/2011 5:08:24 AM PDT by marktwain

The ATF’s website has an FAQ section. First up: “I want information on relief of federal firearm disability? (I am a felon but want to own a firearm, how do I get my privilege restored?)” According to dictionary.com, a “privilege” is “a right, immunity or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most: the privileges of the very rich.” It behooves the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to remember that all Americans have the RIGHT to bear arms. And once again, I state my firmly held conviction that ANY American who has paid his or her debt to society should have their gun rights restored. Automatically. Especially in light of the fact that . . .

Hundreds of thousands of Americans [have been] charged and convicted in recent decades under federal criminal laws—as opposed to state or local laws—as the federal justice system has dramatically expanded its authority and reach.

As federal criminal statutes have ballooned, it has become increasingly easy for Americans to end up on the wrong side of the law. Many of the new federal laws also set a lower bar for conviction than in the past: Prosecutors don’t necessarily need to show that the defendant had criminal intent.

The above’s an extract from an article in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal. The story revealed that there are now so many federal criminal statutes that . . .

Counting them is impossible. The Justice Department spent two years trying in the 1980s, but produced only an estimate: 3,000 federal criminal offenses.

The American Bar Association tried in the late 1990s, but concluded only that the number was likely much higher than 3,000. The ABA’s report said “the amount of individual citizen behavior now potentially subject to federal criminal control has increased in astonishing proportions in the last few decades.”

A Justice spokeswoman said there was no quantifiable number. Criminal statutes are sprinkled throughout some 27,000 pages of the federal code.

I’m not trying to weasel here. For sure there are hundreds of non-violent federal crimes for which any sensible person would not deprive a felon of his or her gun rights. I am equally adamant that we, as a society, should err on the side of caution and restore the gun rights of anyone who has done their time.

If we believe an individual is not safe enough to exercise their right to keep and bear arms, we should not release them back into society. If we release them, they should have their Constitutional rights restored. Would we permanently deprive a felon of their right to free speech?


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The ATF use of the word "privilege" reminds me that for decades the ACLU listed the nine amendments in the Bill of Rights. No Second Amendment was listed.
1 posted on 07/26/2011 5:08:27 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

It is getting close to being hog feeding time. I have my list. Do you have yours?


2 posted on 07/26/2011 5:09:31 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: marktwain

> ATF: Gun Ownership is a Privilege, Not a Right

Yes, but we all know that the holy humanist sacrament of child sacrifice, aka “abortion”, is a “Right” that can be found under the “penumbra” of the 4th Amendment.


3 posted on 07/26/2011 5:17:12 AM PDT by Westbrook
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To: marktwain

oh I get it, a “privilege” ... like FOOD STAMPS!!


4 posted on 07/26/2011 5:28:47 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: marktwain

Unless you run a drug cartel in Mexico. Then the BATF will supply you with as many guns as you want!


5 posted on 07/26/2011 5:29:08 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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The writer of the article says ALL Americans have a right to firearms when they pay their debt to society...

Even those who committed violent felonies with firearms?


6 posted on 07/26/2011 5:38:29 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Pledges, Patriots, Prayers, and Palin.)
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To: marktwain

Felons have adequate remedies for the having their rights returned to them.


7 posted on 07/26/2011 5:42:31 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: Molon Labbie

If we hung all violent felons the problem would be nonexistent.


8 posted on 07/26/2011 5:47:27 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: marktwain

Your proposed standard for probation and parole would keep most felons locked up until the end of their prison terms. And yes, felons on release are routinely restricted from contact with criminals or going into certain places even though freedom of association is a First Amendment right.


9 posted on 07/26/2011 5:51:05 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Agreed but several alphabet organizations have made it very clear they will not tolerate that, or even truth in sentencing, which is why I routinely see guys walking free who have committed double digit felonies with no convictions or enough convictions that they should be still be incarcerated well into the next millenium.

Guys and gals, you DO NOT want these sociopaths to have ANY gun rights restored...

We cannot reward those who turn violence on their fellow citizens..


10 posted on 07/26/2011 6:00:05 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Pledges, Patriots, Prayers, and Palin.)
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To: marktwain

I think they are WRONG! Gun ownership is a RIGHT. No armed government with unarmed populace. Remember Tienanmen Square.


11 posted on 07/26/2011 6:12:37 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Molon Labbie

No question. 3 strikes laws have put a dent in career criminal ranks. Does your state have such a law?


12 posted on 07/26/2011 6:12:43 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Molon Labbie
Even those who committed violent felonies with firearms?

that's the problem with our legal system, too many people get out without rehabilitation. if they can't be trusted with a gun, why are they allowed to be a part of society at large?
13 posted on 07/26/2011 6:13:59 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: marktwain

From 3 to 4,500: What laws have you broken today?
July 23, 2011 by Douglas French

The U.S. Constitution mentions three federal crimes by citizens: treason, piracy and counterfeiting. Today, there are an estimated 4,500 crimes in federal statutes, write Gary Fields and John R. Emshwiller for the Wall Street Journal.

Clarence Darrow anticipated the prison nation that America is today a hundred years ago in his book Resist Not Evil. All areas of life have become part of the penal code, with an army of people operating as police, legislators, and the court system to enforce these laws...

http://blog.mises.org/17835/from-3-to-4500-what-laws-have-you-broken-today/


14 posted on 07/26/2011 6:14:07 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Scotsman will be Free

This is a tricky one, the government is criminalizing lots of conduct........Could one reason be to brand people with felony convictions so they can’t own firearms........Maybe felons should still be allowed to bear arms......Slippery slope


15 posted on 07/26/2011 6:14:24 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DCBryan1
Hog feeding time was ten years ago...

Hogs are dead, butchered, and diced up in the pasta salad.

16 posted on 07/26/2011 6:15:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Molon Labbie

If you are armed, as it is your Right to be, then we’d have fewer “felons” surviving to be incarcerated.


17 posted on 07/26/2011 6:17:56 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

No, just enhancements for prior and persistent offenders which is almost never used. They had out Suspended Imposition of Sentence here like its candy. That is not a conviction and only encourages the thugs to make more victims.

It’s a mess here in the Lou.

If the state would give convictions like they should, the thugs would eventually do some serious Fed time for reoffending. But it doesn’t happen. Personally, I think if the states sentenced properly, there would be heck of lot less federal offenses.


18 posted on 07/26/2011 6:20:16 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Pledges, Patriots, Prayers, and Palin.)
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To: Molon Labbie

Considering what they can obtain with or without governmental permission, the issue is: if they can’t be trusted with ‘em upon release, why are they being released?


19 posted on 07/26/2011 6:21:38 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: yldstrk; Molon Labbie

I guess it depends on the crime. Violent felons should not be rearmed as molon labbie has pointed out.


20 posted on 07/26/2011 6:21:50 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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