World Net Daily officially 7th Day Adventist?

July 24, 2011 | Self

[AnalogReigns]

I just received an email from World Net Daily advertising some books. Not unusual, as I'm on their list, and they send ads all the time. What is strange though, is the fact that all the books in this ad are religious AND take the oddball "7th-day Sabbath" position--definitely a very minority position among conservative evangelicals, and Christians of all stripes.

The ad also hints at some dark conspiracy amidst conventional Christians, accusing us of not reading the bible carefully.

Some evangelical apologists too categorize Adventism (which started with those who firmly predicted Jesus to come again in the 1840s) itself is at least an eccentric sect, following Old Testament and extra-biblical regulations, if not a cult, not unlike many others that got founded about that time.

Is World Net Daily now officially Adventist?

[Prince Caspian]

What do you think the odds are today of a group of people (let’s say everyone that has ever lived in Pittsburgh) getting confused about which day of the week it is. (Don’t say anything - it will only cause arguments and hard feeling. But they think today is actually Monday).

[sueQ]

“There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the People of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his own works as God did from His.” Heb.4:9,10

I realize I won’t change your mind, but this is saying that the Sabbath is not a day but a state of being. When you cease relying on your own righteousness (works) and rely on God’s provision (His Son), you enter the Sabbath rest.

The law never set anyone free. It can’t. No one can keep it. (If you say you can, you are lying). It can only condemn and point to your need for Christ. Christ is the end of the law for those who believe.

[AnalogReigns]

"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." Col 2:16

EXACTLY. This is a big reason I take umbrage with the Adventists, they judge the 99% of Christians who differ with them on the Sabbath.

[the_daug]

Well there is a history of Sunday blue laws in the USA and I remember going to Winnipeg, Manitoba where nothing was open on Sunday til 12:00 noon in the early 80’s (not that way anymore). The Adventist went through those times. Then there were Hebrew Christians and Sabbath keeping Christians persecuted for keeping Saturday. I find Sunday keeping Protestant churches are more intolerant than secularist. I don’t think the day you worship Christ effects your salvation but denying scripture or claiming that there is something there (Sunday keeping) that isn’t might. It also is not hard for me to think that Sunday laws could happen because Jews will not give up the keeping of Sabbath and I know how the Jew is hated among many main stream Christian churches and Islam.

[AnalogReigns]

I know Adventists are nice people, and Adventist hospitals are some of the best.

Still, Mormons, Christian Scientists and Jehovah’s Witnesses too, tend to be very nice people. Truth isn’t found simply in niceness.

[Jonty30]

You know what is really interesting about the Ten Commandments, is that it is all reciprocal. I think it’s generally understood that the last six commandments are reciprocal in nature, if I don’t harm you, you won’t harm me.

What isn’t understood as well is that the first four are also reciprocal. When God makes time for me, He really is making time for me. I am a priority to Him. When God does deal with me, He really is dealing with me. He’s not using some substitute that represents me. God takes me seriously and my concerns, as silly as they may objectively be, are also treated seriously. When I am willing to spend time with God, He is willing to spend time with me.

[el_texicano]

So many of you like to cite: “By GRACE ye are saved, through faith, not of your own doing. It is the gift of God!”-St Paul

But Paul put it in other words, such as entering into God’s rest

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

You see, if we have not ceased from unbelief, or sin, we have not entered into God’s rest, the true meaning of sabbath and we are not saved by grace.

[Prince Caspian]

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Matt 5:17

Ending something vs. fulfilling (as in fulfilling an obligation or requirement) seems to be an important distinction. If the law is ended and I am released from any obligation to it, does that mean I am now free to kill or steal with no consequence as to my salvation or relation to the Creator of those laws?

[Goldsborough]

Yawn. Get back with us when you can create life out of a sterile ball of clay.

Go on enjoying your fantasy that an entity capable of such things dictated it all to a bunch of primitive sheep herders.

[Jonty30]

Can you prove otherwise?

I can prove with certainty from Scripture that God absolutely beat the concept into them and caused them to be converted on that point.

[sueQ]

Christ fulfilled the law, something that no one else could do. As for your question “does that mean I am now free to kill or steal with no consequence as to my salvation or relation to the Creator of those laws?” The Spirit Himself teaches us to love one another. If you are a believer, why would you want to kill your neighbor or steal from him/her? Do you really need a law to keep you from doing that?

[Uri’el-2012]

You know what is really interesting about the Ten Commandments, is that it is all reciprocal. I think it’s generally understood that the last six commandments are reciprocal in nature, if I don’t harm you, you won’t harm me.

What isn’t understood as well is that the first four are also reciprocal. When God makes time for me, He really is making time for me. I am a priority to Him. When God does deal with me, He really is dealing with me. He’s not using some substitute that represents me. God takes me seriously and my concerns, as silly as they may objectively be, are also treated seriously. When I am willing to spend time with God, He is willing to spend time with me.

You are right.

Yah'shua gave us the "Cliff Notes" in Mark's notes from Peter:

Mark 12:29 Jesus( Yah'shua ) answered, "The foremost is,
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

Mark 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART,
AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'
[Deut. 6:4,5]

Mark 12:31 "The second is this, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'[Lev. 19:18]
There is no other commandment greater than these."

Mark 12:32 The scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher; You have truly stated
that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;

Mark 12:33 AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH
ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH,
AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF,
is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Mark 12:34 When Jesus (Yah'shua) saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him,
"You are not far from the kingdom of God."

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[2111USMC]

I thought it was pretty darned funny!

:)

[AnalogReigns]

Ultimately all religions are cults. It all boils down to somebody told me something extraordinary happened, I believe it, that settles it.

However Christianity is based on the TRUTHFUL testimony of the original disciples of Jesus. They either died (most were tortured to death)for what they ACTUALLY witnessed, or it was all an elaborate conspiracy and lies....

In truth, it is cultic and unbiblical NOT to belong to some Church body, as the New Testament commands that we are to be meeting, studying the Apostles' teachings (the Bible) and worshiping together as a body.

THAT is much more important a priority than as to what day we gather...

let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. (Hebrews 10:21-25)

That may be in an "independent" Church (which sometimes tends to be a "denomination" of its own) or a Church body in fellowship with other like-minded Church bodies (a denomination).

Still, individualistic-read-your-bible-and-make-up-your-own-interpretation is not really encouraged, or even allowed for biblical followers of Jesus

[Jonty30]

I can show you that you don’t really hold that position, because, but you do believe that murder is still murder, post-cross.

The only way you can possibly know that murder is inherently wrong is that a law must exist before it can be broken. Otherwise, no law and there is no law to break.

[Prince Caspian]

The Spirit Himself teaches us to love one another. If you are a believer, why would you want to kill your neighbor or steal from him/her? Do you really need a law to keep you from doing that?

Yes, I agree with you. The Spirit teaches us... And if the Spirit teaches us, then why, indeed, would we want to kill our neighbor? Try this. Let's change the word "law" to "principle". The Spirit teaches us the Creator's "principles" regarding His government. Now, the statement about not needing a "law" is in a different light. As an illustration -- So, if the Spirit teaches us a "principle" about how to live, why would we need the underlying "principle"? It doesn't make sense that God would teach and convert us to be in harmony with a "principle" of His government if there was no underlying "principle" (i.e. "law").

[AnalogReigns]

Actually I have studied up on the issue. I’m convinced that, since the New Testament period, starting with the Church plants of Paul, the Church amidst (primarily) gentiles, has gathered for worship on Sunday...celebrating the absolute guarantee of the completion of the New Creation in the resurrection of Jesus.

Just as God rested on Saturday, upon completion of the Old Creation, so too, God-the-Son-in-human-flesh rested on Sunday from the keystone act of the New Creation, Jesus’ resurrection. Our worship corresponds to a miracle greater than even Creation itself... our Messiah’s resurrection—and our justification.

Centuries before Constantine (why does the poor emperor get blamed for everything?) Christians were worshiping on Sunday.

[null and void]

The disciples told me something extraordinary happened, I believe it, that settles it.

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(Remembering Jim Williams and Bob Pease)...

[Prince Caspian]

Thanks for your reasoned response, my friend.

[Jonty30]

I don’t expect to convert you either, which is Paul’s point.

We are all on individual journey’s, starting at different points and moving at individual rates. The only thing certain is that we are all headed to New Jerusalem and only there will all things become crystal clear and unquestionable.

Until then, there are going to be points that each of us think are going to be correct. We are all going to be wrong somewhere, which is why we need Christ to cover our shortcomings.