The only days that fit are 30AD adn 33AD.
Posted on 07/24/2011 6:54:25 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
I just received an email from World Net Daily advertising some books. Not unusual, as I'm on their list, and they send ads all the time. What is strange though, is the fact that all the books in this ad are religious AND take the oddball "7th-day Sabbath" position--definitely a very minority position among conservative evangelicals, and Christians of all stripes.
The ad also hints at some dark conspiracy amidst conventional Christians, accusing us of not reading the bible carefully.
Some evangelical apologists too categorize Adventism (which started with those who firmly predicted Jesus to come again in the 1840s) itself is at least an eccentric sect, following Old Testament and extra-biblical regulations, if not a cult, not unlike many others that got founded about that time.
Is World Net Daily now officially Adventist?
Nully, it’s too bad that you can’t make the distinction. It is hard to explain, but the best way that I can come up with right now is that there are religions that are based on actual contact with God, not just the belief that the contact was real. For example, Christianity was started by Jesus, grown by his disciples, and then by followers throughout the ages.
“If you love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15
Yes, the law was not spelled out until after the fall of Adam. That doesn’t mean there were no underlying principles in God’s government prior to Adam’s fall.
“Either we keep them or we break them. There is no middle ground on this.”
I seem to recall a law that required disrespectful children to be stoned to death. Have you ever been disrespectful to your parents? Or do you have children that have been disrespectful to you? Does your church enforce that law? When a wife of one of your members has committed adultery, do you carry out the punishment according to the Law of Moses? Has your eye ever offended you? Have you plucked it out? Have you ever intensely disliked some one? You have committed murder in your heart. God pays no mind to outward appearances. He sees the heart. We all stand guilty before him. And we can only be made righteous by faith in the finished work of the Cross of Jesus Christ His beloved Son. Anything else?... filthy rags. Plain and simple.
Please provide the citation.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
As I said, Evangelicals have lumped together the moral law and the law of Moses and that’s where the basis of the disagreements come in.
It’s easy to demonstrate that the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments were not considered to be equal or identical.
1. The Ten Commandments existed at the time of man’s creation. The Law of Moses did not.
2. The Ten Commandments were written in stone. The Law of Moses was written on parchment.
3. The Ten Commandments were put inside the Ark, inaccessible to man to change, erase, or adjust. The Law of Moses was placed outside the Ark of the Covenant.
4. There is no logical reason to ever invalidate the Commandments. But the Law of Moses was always intended to end at the Cross, for it pointed towards the Cross.
That’s not what I asked. Can you prove this statement:
“The Jews have never forgotten which day to keep”
Why don’t you ask a Jew if they’ve forgotten which day to keep.
You could probably ask Jesus Himself, since He was certainly knew which day to keep and is considered having kept the Commandments perfectly, which means in thought and intent and action, He did not sin.
So even if the Jews in time past somehow forgot which day was the Sabbath Day, Christ kept it. I don’t recall in Scripture Christ taking a day off that conflicted with the day Jews were taking off.
Can you enlighten me if Jesus and the Jews disagreed which day to keep?
So according to your logic, namely that the commandments were written in stone but the law of Moses was written on parchment, where does the account of Jesus’ life death and resurrection stand? Somewhere below the 10 commandments since it wasn’t written in stone? Well the account of his resurrection is written on human hearts... millions of them down through the ages... many of them could not even read. Sorry but I think your heart is as hard as those stone tablets!
Show me where Christ’s life, death and resurrection was a law?!?
You elevate the 10 commandments above the law of Moses because as you say they were written on stone and the rest of his commandments were not. They were written on parchment. Correct? Think about it. The accounts of the LIFE DEATH and RESURRECTION of our Lord were written on parchment as well, which in your mind makes them inferior to the stone tablets. Enough said.
I fail to see the connection between the promise of Christ and our ability, or lack thereof, to keep the Ten Commandments.
Christ was promised to us the moment Adam chose to sin. In fact, the fact that Christ died for £an’s sins only validates the Ten Commandments, not invalidates, because it shows that God could neither change them to make Christ’s sacrifice unnecessary, nor could He remove the punishment that entailed from breaking them.
That is tougher and more permanent than stone, if God Himself cannot change the reality of sin, so you are correct there.
The only days that fit are 30AD adn 33AD.
Have you ever taken more than two days off in a work week? “Six days shall you labor...” This is also a part of the 4th commandment.
1. The Ten Commandments existed at the time of man’s creation. The Law of Moses did not.
Scriptural evidence for this?
The Word of God tells us of only one commandment:
Genesis 2:16 - “And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Anyone wanting to know more about the SDA cult and their false prophet founder - Ellen G. White can start reading here, where she writes about the plan of redemption in a unScriptural manner. (http://www.whiteestate.org/books/pp/pp4.html)
That’s definitely part of the commandment. In application, I think it simply means that you concern yourself with earthly concerns (food, shelter and such) the first six days and spend the Seventh on church stuff.
You think! But you don’t know!
I guessed you missed the Creation account of God having set aside the Seventh day and called it very good.
Also, the fact that God held man to account meant that the concept of the law was there prior to his falling. God didn’t have to spell it out in the Garden, because it was the nature of man at the time to not do these things.
However, Cain murdered and God held him to account despite the fact that God hadn’t explicitly spelled out the law here either.
God could only have held Cain to account, if there was some awareness from Cain that he had done wrong. The fact that Cain lied about what he had done showed his awareness of right and wrong.
That awareness could only exist if there had been something to be aware of.
If you want to take the commandment literally and sleep the day away, go ahead. :)
Otherwise it’s application of the principle.
You wrote this:
“1. The Ten Commandments existed at the time of man’s creation. The Law of Moses did not.”
I asked you for Scriptural proof, not conjecture. Can you provide evidence from God’s Word, or are you simply regurgitating the writings of a false prophet?
Church stuff? Really? Sorry if I’ve been hard on you Jonty30. I have learned a lot from you. God bless you, and take care.
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