[Vintage Freeper]

It is inevitable that the proverbial "line in the sand" is someday going to turn into the "edge of the cliff".

The most insane game of brinkmanship that Democrats played was Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD). Thankfully Ronald Reagan acted like an adult and the rest is history; the Soviet Union ended up on the ash-heap of history where it belonged.

The stakes are not as high this time. But this time, the consequences are almost as bad. When the Democrats successfuly push the line in the sand to finally become the edge of the cliff, it is not only the Democrats, but also the United States who will be the ones that end up on the ash-heap of history

[GeronL]

All of the pressure on the Republicans should be “no tax hikes” period.

[econjack]

"If not now, when?" Obama said.

When? After you and your teleprompter sit on the ash heap of history and are viewed as the worst President in the history of the United States...and that even includes Jimmy Carter. Never before has any President been as clueless and inept about economics as you, sir. Either that or your agenda is to destroy the United States. Those are the only choices...pick one, then turn around and shut up.

[treetopsandroofs]

The “Pea Lobby” must have some significant clout, to get that part scrubbed so quickly.

[Patrick1]

Not sure where this pressure is coming from? Nearly sixty percent of the country has turned Obama off. A vast majority don’t want the ceiling raised if it means tax increases. And this not now, when? stuff is laughable.

He has been President for over two years and he has never signed a budget.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Monday increased pressure on Republican lawmakers to make concessions for a deal to avoid an August 2 debt default and said both sides must “pull off the Band-aid” and make sacrifices....”If not now, when?” Obama said.”

“IF NOT NOW, WHEN??” That's the pressure ?? LOL, what a joke.

Tell tax cheat Geitner to talk to his boss 'Obe' about the dire consequences of his own ultimatums.

[PetroniusMaximus]

[Jane Long]

Hey, Repubbies!!! Bamster and the "Pea Party" are the only one pressuring you.

The majority of American's (70%) don't want the debt ceiling raised and believe in the free market system.

Got that?

[FrankR]

obama's game, is like a child's game, his rants and pouts only work if we give a flying f*** what he and his pet media says.

The democrats are a party of "shock jocks", they think the things they "say" are going to drive us to serve their will.

But like spoiled children, if we continue to ignore them, or laugh in their faces, they will eventually lose it and go into a full, unbridled tantrum.

It's a staring game, waiting on a blink.

Obama is in NO position to demand anything; he has totally ruined this economy and borrowing more money or raising taxers won't fix it.

When the buttholes get around to following the Contitution and putting our a budget like they are supposed to, perhaps we could take them as something more than frat boys at a toga party and talk...but the way it is, it's just going to be obama and his petulant, smart-ass mouth making threats...

[jnsun]

both sides must "pull off the Band-aid"

Classic double talk. Who spent the bailouts and stimulus in the first place?

If we the taxpayers (through our elected democratic government) elect to bailout AIG and Goldman-Sachs and General Motors, then we the taxpayers must take the money from somewhere else; and it was the Democrats (and some Repubs) who decided on those bailouts in the first place.

How stupid are Republicans not to clarify it?

We need the Tea Party or third party for straight talk.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

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[ConservativeDude]

Here’s the way I see it:

If Obama caves, and only cuts spending, he loses his base and definitely loses re-election.

If Obama doesn’t cave, and the US default, he loses independents (again) and definitely loses re-election, as most people see this as a Presidential issue, ie, the President should play a constructive role and gets the rap for failure.

If Boehner caves, the GOP loses the House. And Obama very possibly wins re-election, because I don’t think independents want taxes raised at this time, either. (Not just tea party).

If Boehner doesn’t cave, then, if the US goes into default, Obama still loses re-election (See above).

I think that is pretty accurate as to where we are.

I don’t think Boehner will cave, then. There really is no up side for him to do so.

I think, personally, Obama’s goose is cooked politically here. He lost this battle when he lost the house last November.

Anyone see flaws in that logic?

[yldstrk]

Shell game

[Baynative]

The pressure is on Obama. If republicans stand firm, he loses even more ground and his fund raising will slow (except from the middle east, of course).

[Phlap]

Is it a Crisis yet?

[familyop]

If Republicans in Congress weren’t working for so many socialists with local government incomes, the “pressure” would be on Democrats. Congress could pass a deal with no tax hikes, no “fee” hikes, no repeal of tax cuts (or any other dirty tax/propaganda tricks) and no debt ceiling hike. ...spending cuts only. Democrats would then be under “pressure” to avoid a veto.

But then Republicans serve federally funded, local teachers, social workers, police, regulators, administrators, services, all—hordes.

[jeltz25]

The key thing to me is that the media and even many in the GOP have bought in 100% to the idea that if it’s not raised by Aug 2 there will be a default.

Simply not true. There is plenty of money to pay the debt service and other obligations even if it’s not passed. Plenty of money to still take care of a number of priorities. Now, certain areas will be in trouble. But there won’t be any default. There won’t be any catastrophe.

But for some reason taht message isn’t getting out. Even O’Reilly has bought into it. Tonight when Bachmann tried to explain it to him he was like “So you’re saying Geithner is lying?” and “if you’re right, how come Boehner and McConnell are calling for a deal?”

Yes, Geithner is lying and I have no idea why Boehner and McConnell are pressing for a deal.

The good way to look at it is that they both know there won’t be a default so they’re holding out for as good a deal on spending cuts as they can get all the while knowing they have nothing to lose.

But the GOP needs to find a way to get the point that there won’t be a default across to 100% of the public.

Can Boehner ask for 5 minutes from the networks for a natl tv address?

The WH is full of it, and the media is protecting them.

Reminds me of the BC issue. For years the WH and the media said they couldn’t release the long from, even if they wanted to. That it was unavailable and illegal to do so. That was the official media line. All of a sudden when they felt like it they were able to release it within minutes. It was there the entire time.

Same thing here. There won’t be any default. Everyone knows it.