Many Black New Yorkers are moving to the South

The New York Times ^ | 21 Jun 2011 | Dan Bilefsky

[Cronos]

In Deborah Brown’s family lore, the American South was a place of whites-only water fountains and lynchings under cover of darkness. It was a place black people like her mother had fled. Multimedia

Deborah Brown, 59, and her mother, Louise Brown, 82, plan to move from Queens to Atlanta. But for Ms. Brown, 59, a retired civil servant from Queens, the South now promises salvation.

Three generations of her family — 10 people in all — are moving to Atlanta from New York, seeking to start fresh economically and, in some sense, to reconnect with a bittersweet past. They include Ms. Brown, her 82-year-old mother and her 26-year-old son, who has already landed a job and settled there.

The economic downturn has propelled a striking demographic shift: black New Yorkers, including many who are young and college educated, are heading south.

[Cronos]

north-south shift

[ABQHispConservative]

Unfortunately they bring their liberal attitudes. Why can’t they move to Vermont? That place is already socialist.

[RowdyFFC]

They’re fleeing in droves, finding out the ghetto’s of NY aren’t so wonderful after all with their public housing that must be higher than a cats back. I just hope they woke up before they left and don’t intend to create socialist states down here.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Northern blacks moving to Atlanta? That’s been happening since the 1980’s if not before.

[EyeGuy]

“In Deborah Brown’s family lore, the American South was a place of whites-only water fountains and lynchings under cover of darkness.”

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In EyeGuy’s family lore, Europe was a place where peasants like his ancestors, were routinely beaten, jailed without pretense, used as pawns in rich men’s wars and utterly locked out of any possibility or upward economic or societal mobility.

[tflabo]

Hope they find a better life however they do take their DemoRat metastatic votes with them to a red state.

[Enterprise]

Maybe when they move they will be in a gerrymandered district and will continue to vote for the slave master party and their votes still won’t make a difference.

[Cronos]

from the article “My grandmother’s generation left the South and came to the North to escape segregation and racism,” she said. “Now, I am going back because New York has become like the old South in its racial attitudes.”

and Ms. Ross said she had experienced some culture shock in the South, and had been surprised to find that blacks tended to self-segregate, even in affluent neighborhoods.

[Cronos]

I don't know -- the article points out “I feel a strong spiritual pull to go back to the South,” Ms. Brown said.

[KoRn]

After ravaging their native states, they feel the need to come down here and start anew, with another state to wreck....

[PAR35]

59, a retired civil servant

I wish I had me one of those 'retire at 59 at taxpayer expense jobs' instead of a 'get lost, we want to hire younger folks' job.

[USAFJeeper]

See the violence inherent in the system! (Apologies to Monty Python :)

[USAFJeeper]

See the violence inherent in the system! (Apologies to Monty Python :)

[21twelve]

I was just helping my daughter look up stuff on “social changes due to the Civil War”. The “Great Migration” of the blacks to the industrial north for WWI and after. It was also to leave the violence of the south (hangings, etc.)

It was 1965 that the trend started to reverse. (Think Detroit, etc.)

[VeniVidiVici]

In Deborah Brown’s family lore, the American South was a place of whites-only water fountains and lynchings under cover of darkness. It was a place black people like her mother had fled.

Still is. They should move to Long Island or Danbury. Much nicer.

[higgmeister]

“Now, I am going back because New York has become like the old South in its racial attitudes.”

Same as it ever was!

New York City draft riots (July 13 to July 16, 1863; known at the time as Draft Week were violent disturbances in New York City that were the culmination of discontent with new laws passed by Congress to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots were the largest civil insurrection in American history apart from the Civil War itself. President Abraham Lincoln sent several regiments of militia and volunteer troops to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working class men, resentful, among other reasons, because the draft unfairly affected them while sparing wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 commutation fee to exclude themselves from its reach.

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned ugly and degraded into "a virtual racial pogrom, with uncounted numbers of blacks murdered on the streets". The conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool stated on July 16, "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it." The military suppressed the mob using artillery and fixed bayonets, but not before numerous buildings were ransacked or destroyed, including many homes and an orphanage for black children.

African Americans became scapegoats and the primary target of the rioters' anger. Many immigrants and the poor viewed freed slaves as competition for scarce jobs. African Americans were also seen as the cause of the Civil War and any who fell into the clutches of the mobs were beaten, tortured and/or killed, including one man who was attacked by a crowd of 400 with clubs and paving stones, then hung from a tree and set alight. The Colored Orphan Asylum on Fifth Avenue, which provided shelter for hundreds of children, was attacked by a mob. The police were able to secure the orphanage for enough time to allow the orphans to escape.

Regarding the Martin Scorsese film "Gangs of New York (2002)":

Conservative writer and columnist Mark Steyn noted: "By the time Scorsese gets to the riots, he's pretty much given up on his lame-o plot and the background - the riot - is all there is. He artfully dodges any point of view on the material: The riot just sort of happens, and spreads, like a disease or a meteorological disaster. The director is broadly pro-immigrant, pro-poor people, but, in this case, as he surely must know after all that research, the poor people - the immigrants, the draft dodgers - happened to be pro-slavery, pro-lynching, anti-Negro and anti-American. Yes, it's a shame the treasonous racists got gunned down by the soldiers, but it's difficult to understand the mindset of a director who yearns to film this incident for his entire adult life and then goes to inordinate lengths to obliterate the context of it."

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was! ////

[Leroy S. Mort]

Great. Like Atlanta doesn’t have enough Mets fans already.

[The KG9 Kid]

L.A. proved too much for the man,
So he’s leavin’ the life he’s come to know,
He said he’s goin’ back to find
Ooh, what’s left of his world,
The world he left behind
Not so long ago.
He’s leaving,
On that midnight train to Georgia,
And he’s goin’ back
To a simpler place and time.
And I’ll be with him
On that midnight train to Georgia,
I’d rather live in his world
Than live without him in mine.
He kept dreamin’
That someday he’d be a star.
But he sure found out the hard way
That dreams don’t always come true.
So he pawned all his hopes
and he even sold his old car
Bought a one way ticket
To the life he once knew,
Oh yes he did,
He said he would
Be leavin
On that midnight train to Georgia,
And he’s goin’ back
To a simpler place and time.
And I’ll be with him
On that midnight train to Georgia,
I’d rather live in his world
Than live without him in mine.
Go, gonna board, gonna board,
Gonna board the midnight train.
Gotta go, gonna board
Gonna board
Gonna board the midnight train

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Atlanta isn’t a southern city any more.

[Texas Fossil]

“social changes due to the Civil War”. The “Great Migration” of the blacks

I am white, but many of my ancestors had their own Great Migration during Reconstruction. They went GTT (Gone to Texas), because of the corruption and abuse at the hands of the Radical Republicans, carpetbaggers and scallywags.

It took the Left taking over the Dem Party to change Texas to a Republican State.

In my opinion, not since the Civil War have we seen the degree of corruption of the Central Government in this country. We shall soon see where this heads, does not smell good.