Posted on 06/03/2011 10:10:03 PM PDT by lwoodham
And who is going to enforce the existing laws that address some of these issues? SCOTUS says we must educate illegal alien children (K-12)--Plyler vs. Doe . ERs cannot turn away patients even though the costs are bankrupting and closing such facilities. We have sanctuary cities that flaunt federal laws and suffer no consequences. And we have the Federal Government suing the state of Arizona for enforcing federal immigration laws. And we have groups like the Chamber of Commerce, ACLU, and La Raza funding suits against states that are trying to enforce the laws against hiring illegal aliens.
As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
Ever since "probable cause."
I don't know how many times I have to say it, but E-Verify is just an instrument that uses existing databases to ascertain whether a new hire is providing valid information in their job application, i.e., a valid SSN that is associated with the name of the employee.
And pray tell, oh you person who has lived in communist countries, how are those databases within the enumerated powers of the Constitution? I want them gone too.
When a cop stops someone for a traffic violation, they ask for a driver's licence.
That's "license." I would rather they were issued by the insurers, not the almighty State. The difference? The insurer is not protected by "sovereign immunity" as to whether they abuse the information.
Are you on SS? If not, wait until you have to apply to get your benefits.
Why do you think I want it gone?
Scotus can say what it wants. The 2nd Amendment has a voice also.
All this tyranny works as long as people still have a lot to loose. As soon as things get bad enough that nothing is left to lose, that is when all hell breaks loose.
— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
Loose=lose.
It’s a good thing that Engrish is my third language or I would have no excuse. Except that posting via Blackberry is bull crap! Have you seen how small the damn key board is? Can’t even see the screen!
I bet you apply for your SS benefits. You will use the rationale that you paid for them. Ah, yes libertarians are a committed group until they get mugged by reality.
Yeah. Y'all proved that to my total dissatisfaction last week.
DOJ letter:'TSA would likely be required to cancel any flight'(FEDs threaten air blockade of Texas)
Texas couldn't wait to flop over and spread 'em, after getting a scarey letter from an attorney.
Let the TSA molest our wives and daughters, blubber, blubber, but please, please, please no more scarey letters!
I live in Pennsylvania and we have a very enemic bill that just passed the Senate that uses e-verify on Pa state contracts. I emailed my reps this story and told them we need to do much better. Illegals cost Pa $728 million a year.
When enough of the dwindling base of working American taxpayers and business owners get fed up with taking benefits, jobs, healthcare and food out of the mouths of their own countrymen, countrywomen and families for the sake of profit, then this stupidity will stop.
Believe me, most of us here are just as disgusted.
It's good that states are trying to do something about this, but DHS is not cooperating with e-verify. They don't even respond to Gov. Haley's (S Car) letters.
Have you, personally, written a letter to your rep?
Yeah, that ol' Constitution thingy is a real problem for you and your would be police state. Maybe you should go back to one where you belong.
Databases exist in all forms and spheres whether you like it or not.
Spoken like a true power freak. The problem for you here is that the powers you want to institute are totally unnecessary.
I bet you apply for your SS benefits.
I'll die first.
I’m an attorney and regularly work on illegal immigrant matters. While e-verify is good, it is also a double edged sword. Why? Because most illegals today use stolen SS numbers and I.D. Cards. This means they will pass the e-verify test. It also means that the employer will be in some serious trouble if they refuse to hire someone they suspect is illegal, but who passed e-verify. In a real way, e-verify helps illegals to gain and keep employment.
Way to go Alabama!!!!! I wish the moonbats in control in California would do this and make this state a great place to live again. But we are woefully behind the times. It will take at least another 10 years, if at all, for enough people in this state to wake up and change course
Fair enough. Where would you start?
True.
If they want predictable orderly environment they damn well better WANT
controlled border security and protection from illegal felons for starters.
Wow, I had presumed that they knew enough english to at least get directions on where to drive. Seems like they are just outright refusing to learn *any* english. I am in Louisiana atm, and my brother (much younger than I) just quit a car wash job because he hated being the only one there who spoke English. He said he always felt that the mexicans were cutting him down right in front of him.
The use of E-Verify should hold employers free from penalty if they inadvertently hire an illegal worker after following the prescribed procedures. It provides something of a "safe harbor."
In a real way, e-verify helps illegals to gain and keep employment
Using that convoluted logic, groups like La Raza and the Chamber of Commerce should be big supporters of E-Verify. The reality is that E-Verify works and acts as deterrence to illegal employment.
And here is another question: If e-verify (plus other efforts) actually prevented illegals from working at "on-the-books" jobs, wouldn't underground, off-the-books jobs appear to replace them? Remember, they are already illegal. What do they have to lose?
Like you, I am not saying that e-verify is a bad idea. It's a start. Congress needs to make it clear that illegals who participate in identity theft face prison time. But given the current attitude of the DOJ and DHS, I don't think that would be sufficient. Watch what happens in Alabama now. The feds will do everything they can to nullify and refuse to cooperate with the new e-verify law, while continuing to sit on their posteriors WRT federal immigration enforcement.
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