Posted on 06/01/2011 7:14:04 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
The America Family Association has organized ten powerful economic graphs that put financial facts and figures into visual form. Sometimes you can quote economic statistics to people until you are blue in the face and it won’t do any good, but when those same people see charts and pictures suddenly it all sinks in. As you examine the economic charts below, pay special attention to what has been happening to the U.S. economy over the last 30 or 40 years.
(Excerpt) Read more at kencauley.com ...
Keep believing that a currency peg is a free market.
One of these days, I’m sure you believe a horse will appear outside of your window, with a horn growing out of his head, crapping skittles, too.
Gone, never to return. His like will not get into politics now, and those who do get into politics are more like Herbert Hoover or FDR than Silent Cal.
7. Repeal 17th amendment
8. Increase the number in the House of Representatives to the level that would force them to be accountable to their constituency (OR about 1:50,000, as originally intended).
Sorry to interject, but you’re making a false dichotomy logical argument:
“Setting aside the issue of tariffs raising prices in order to “create jobs” (can’t happen unless prices go up, remember), when you artificially raise the price of a product (in this case, imported oil) a domestic producer doesn’t just sit on its hands, it raises prices also to capture the higher margin.”
If it were a free market, there would be competition between the multiple oil producers/refiners. The U.S. Is bigger than many/most economies COMBINED we don’t HAVE to rely on any other countries. The 50 States are supposed to be sovereign (for all intents and purposes) and trade between them is like 50 (relatively) small countries. Acting like a tarriff would eliminate any internal competition is not only misguided, it’s stupid.
“Some folks believe in unicorns, but it doesn’t make them real.”
Some folks believe we were all born yesterday, but it doesn’t make them smarter.
“false dichotomy logical [phallacy in your] argument.”
I thought faster than I typed.
False dichotomy, huh? Demonstrate it.
Uh, no I don't . . . and I never have. What gives you that idea, other than casting about for a strawman?
I already did, you’re premise was “If we don’t have free trade, then the costs of domestic production must rise, due to no competition with foreign corporations.”
A false dichotomy/dilemma, means there can only be two consequences, that’s a lie.
I already demonstrated why that’s not true. If there were less domestic regulation, there would be more domestic competition. Domestic oil companies can already compete with each other, which is (part of the reason) why we don’t have $8+ gasoline like some nations. We already have internal competition. So, the “If you add a tarriff, things must go up to fill the gap” argument, is baloney. If U.S. companies were competing with each other and not third world slave (and sometimes nearly slave) labor, then they could compete with one another on an even ground. Price may or may not go up (I’d bet some do, some don’t), but the fact remains, it’s not because they are filling the high price gap. That’s the part which was a false dilemma.
I'll note that you pulled the above out of your ass. Not even a strawman, because you made it up. But you are the expert with "logic," I suppose.
If your expletive is because I put what you said into an if/then statement, fine, guilty as charged. However, feel free to show me you didn’t present a false dichotomy. I already did, you’re wrong, and it doesn’t matter if you accept it or not. The fact is that there IS NO benefit to a sovereign nation, in “free” trade. The only benefit would be to have an alliance/treaty with a country in exchange for something, and then the trade isn’t the “free” trade that’s goin on now. The U.S. (as a country) benefits not at all. Some corporations do, but at the expense of sovereignty and everyone else’s ability to compete, because they write the very regulations that politicians pass to exclude everyone else from being able to compete.
I was hoping you would, and apparently you cannot. I was remarking on the absurdity of claiming that we need tariffs to raise prices, while simultaneously claiming that they will not. If you will not see it, you won't. But stop making-up my arguments for me, ok?
Right...
Thanks, I knew I was . . . .
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