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Profits Are Booming. Why Aren’t Jobs?
New York Times ^ | January 8, 2011 | Michael Powell

Posted on 05/31/2011 7:05:20 PM PDT by khnyny

To gaze upon the world of American corporations is to see a sunny place of terrific profits and princely bonuses. American businesses reported that third-quarter profits in 2010 rose at an annual rate of $1.659 trillion, the steepest annual surge since officials began tracking such matters 60 years ago. It was the seventh consecutive quarter in which corporate profits climbed.

Staring at such balance sheets, you might almost forget that much of the nation lives under slate-gray fiscal skies, a place of 9.4 percent unemployment and record levels of foreclosures and indebtedness.

And therein lies the enduring mystery of this Great Recession and Not So Great Recovery: Why have corporate profits (and that market thermometer, the Dow) spiked even as 15 million Americans remain mired in unemployment, a number without precedent since the Great Depression? Employment tends to lag a touch behind profit growth, but history offers few parallels to what is happening today.

“Usually the business cycle is a rising-and-falling, all-boats-together phenomenon,” noted J. Bradford DeLong, an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and a deputy assistant secretary for economic policy in the Clinton Treasury Department. “It’s quite a puzzle when you have this disjunction between profits on the one hand and unemployment.”

A search for answers leads in several directions. The bulls’ explanation, heard with more frequency these days, has the virtue of being straightforward: corporate profits are the economy’s pressure cooker, building and building toward an explosive burst that will lead to much hiring next year.

The December jobs numbers suggest that that moment has yet to arrive, as the nation added just 103,000 jobs, or less than the number needed to keep pace with population growth. The leisure industry and hospitals accounted for 83,000 jobs; large corporations added a tiny fraction.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; business; depression2point0; economy; freetrade; freetraitors; getreadyhereitcomes; greatestdepression; greatestrecession; greatrecession; incorporation; michaelpowell; obamanomics; preparedness; preppers; profits; survival; survivalping; unemployment
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To: VanDeKoik

If you had been on FR long enough, you would.


161 posted on 06/01/2011 10:51:10 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: dalereed
Business doesn’t owe you or anyone shit!

When China finally flexes her nascent muscles and makes military moves towards Taiwan, will the US stand up to them? And if we do manage to hang tough and China retaliates by placing sanctions on US assets in China(factories .etc) and nationalizes them without compensation should I FEEL sorry for these sellout corps then? Well should I?

162 posted on 06/01/2011 10:55:07 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dalereed
"The government has no right to tell business where they can make products. If I started a new product it sure wouldn’t be made here.'

They have the right to put import tariffs on goods. Our founding fathers initially relied almost exclusively on import tariffs to fund the Federal government.

163 posted on 06/01/2011 11:09:03 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: hedgetrimmer

It means what you are describing is a fascist economy not one under freedom. Are you that dense and clueless?


164 posted on 06/01/2011 11:09:03 AM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: hedgetrimmer

You should read the thread before embarrassing yourself further.


165 posted on 06/01/2011 11:10:07 AM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: redgolum

———Because there is no need for the jobs-——

Further and damning to the hope for recovery, the jobs were not only not needed but were responsible for lower profits. bureaucratic pyramid building added unnecessary workers, increased costs and and lowered profits.


166 posted on 06/01/2011 11:14:13 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: arrogantsob

LOL! Fascism is the corporate/government rule over citizens.

“free trade” is the destroyer of individual rights and liberties, and it abhors the US constitution and the rights the Constitution conveys to INDIVIDUAL citizens.

Now I wonder if you’re a ‘global citizen’ too!You’re for interdependence, like the Bush,Clinton,Bush, Obama administrations, if you are against individual rights and INDEPENDENCE.

We have a fascist economy now! That is why there are no jobs in the US but plenty where slave labor abounds, and profits are up!


167 posted on 06/01/2011 11:49:53 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: arrogantsob

Ha!


168 posted on 06/01/2011 11:51:14 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: arrogantsob

Not only ignorant, but highly opinionated. When did I say that tariffs were the “Only” constitutional tax? I didn’t. I said it was an apportioned tax, from which you could opt out, meaning if you don’t purchase the taxed product, or perform the taxed action, you aren’t subject to it.

Wow, if you can’t even read a simple statement, please don’t think I’m going to read the rest of your drivel.

P.S. While I know little of Ron Paul, your silly attempt to guilt me by association, doesn’t yield anything. I don’t care what your opinion is, is obviously immature in any respect (You aptly named yourself in your handle). I’m sure someone else is willing to engage you, so have a nice day.


169 posted on 06/01/2011 12:18:03 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: central_va; hedgetrimmer

Some of us get it, some don’t. Glad you two understand what’s really at stake here!


170 posted on 06/01/2011 12:21:43 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: khnyny; ex-Texan

Wall Street exists in their own world, far removed from the realities of Main Street. The next financial crash could very likely happen prior to the end of 2011, but you won’t hear that from commission-based stock brokers.


171 posted on 06/01/2011 12:29:18 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never 'free'.)
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To: khnyny

Tax the profits for social security avoided.

American companies who import products made by workers in other countries when Americans are unemployed should have to pay employee and employer social security amounts. There used to be 15 employees supporting each retiree - there still is, only 12 are in other countries.


172 posted on 06/01/2011 12:41:17 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: apoliticalone
Big corporations have no interest in helping the USA economy.

That is true; they have an interest in maximizing the return to their shareholders (as they should). The owner of the resources will require maximum return on those resources from the managers/stewards entrusted with those resources.

See the parable of the talents in Matthew 25:14-30. (While Marx and Obama and hillary favor the "from each according to his ability and to each according to his need" economic philosophy, we see that Jesus described the Kingdom of Heaven as one in which the LORD apportiones "to each according to his ability".)

173 posted on 06/01/2011 1:14:27 PM PDT by VRWCmember (_!_)
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To: Bryanw92
I’m just wondering if you have any ideas to go along with your cold, hard reality.

As long as businesses are sqeezed by unions on the left and government regulations on the other left and higher taxes on the other left, jobs will be squeezed more and more out of the picture.

174 posted on 06/01/2011 1:18:40 PM PDT by VRWCmember (_!_)
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To: apoliticalone

“Big corporations have no interest in helping the USA economy”

And when did they?

The Boards of Directors of corporations have Singluar responsibility: Enhance and Increase Shareholder Investments. That means profits.

They are not social workers.
They are not government agents.
They are not obligated to hire YOU.
They are not obligated to make their products here.
They are not obligated to do anything except make a profit and pay taxes.

The rest is pretty much a crap shoot.

Its called free enterprise. And it works great.


175 posted on 06/01/2011 1:26:37 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Is there anyone that Obama won't toss under the bus?)
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To: kearnyirish2
Why did we go to war in Iraq?

12 years of continuous violation of the terms of the cease-fire agreement, among other things.

176 posted on 06/01/2011 1:28:44 PM PDT by VRWCmember (_!_)
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To: JDW11235
When did I say that tariffs were the “Only” constitutional tax? I didn’t.

Post # 118 of this thread:

What an ignorant cop out. A) No standing military was intended for the U.S. B) Federal Government should be shrunk in size to a miniscule operation C) An apportioned opt out tax (Tarriff) is the only constitutiional tax (The 16th ammendment was never ruled to have the authority to tax individuals, which is why it is touted as “voluntary”). D) Trade with foreign countries AT ALL is optional. E) Free trade is neither “Free” nor maximizes freedom. ...
Ok, so technically you didn't say it was the only constitutional tax; you said it was the "only constitutiional tax".
177 posted on 06/01/2011 1:47:54 PM PDT by VRWCmember (_!_)
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To: VRWCmember
they have an interest in maximizing the return to their shareholders (as they should)

If that were true they would pay dividends to their shareholders instead of making billionaires out of their corporate officers.
178 posted on 06/01/2011 1:50:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Bush administration ‘stimulated’ the economy for years after the dot com bomb by funneling extremely large amounts of money into the stock market to prop it up."

Huh?? Please explain the policies and practices of the Bush administration that funneled extremely large amounts of money into the stock market.

179 posted on 06/01/2011 1:54:02 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: ex-snook
Tax the profits for social security avoided.

Hmmm, creating a fictitious tax base upon which to levy a bogus new tax. Are you a registered democrat? Or do you just impersonate one here on FR?

180 posted on 06/01/2011 1:57:29 PM PDT by VRWCmember (_!_)
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