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Palin: Eliminate All Energy Subsidies
RealClearPolitics ^ | Tuesday May 31, 2011 | Scott Conroy

Posted on 05/31/2011 9:03:23 AM PDT by Bigtigermike

DILLSBURG, Pa. -- Asked Tuesday whether she supports the federal subsidy of ethanol, an always critical issue in the presidential nominating cycle, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin went one step further and called for the elimination of all energy subsidies.

"I think that all of our energy subsidies need to be relooked at today and eliminated," Palin told RCP during a quick stop at a coffee shop in this picturesque town tucked into the south-central Pennsylvania countryside. "And we need to make sure that we're investing and allowing our businesses to invest in reliable energy products right now that aren't going to necessitate subsidies because, bottom line, we can't afford it."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2012; economy; ethanol; gop; iowa; obama; palin; sarahpalin; subsides
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To: stuartcr

“That’s what politicians do. Doing what they say once elected...that’s a whole different story.”

During the 2008 campaign, I was driving trucks. I had never heard Governor Palin speak. One of her speeches came on satellite radio, and I was listening with part of my mind while I drove.

During the speech, I became uncomfortable, but had no idea why. When I thought about it, I realized that my discomfort arose from the fact that when Governor Palin had said that she cared about main-street America, I had believed her.

I hadn’t believed anything a politician said in so long that it actually gave me cognative dissonance.

“Wait, this is a politician, and she’s not lying?”

When I was younger, I was a terrible judge of character. Just awful. The intervening decades have made me somewhat better. I pegged Clinton ten seconds into the first speech I saw on TV. Same with Obama.

My judgment is that Governor Palin is an honest, courageous person who has her head on straight. I could be wrong. Been wrong before. But I don’t think so.

I think the ‘Cuda has the fortitude to stare down domestic enemies of the constitution in both the Stupid Party and the Evil party, and that she has the inclination to do so.

If a candidate doesn’t drive the leftards into a slavering, convulsing, howling, puking, chewing-their-own-lips-off, full-blown “Exorcist” seizure, that candidate is not morally fit for office.

Sarah Palin is the *only* accceptable candidate in the field today. (And this is from someone who not only thinks that women should generally be barred from public office, but that the 19th Amendment should be repealed.)


61 posted on 05/31/2011 11:26:55 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: metmom
I keep hearing that oil companies are recording record profits.

And paying record taxes. The oil industry makes less per dollar of sales than the average manufacturing industry.


62 posted on 05/31/2011 11:37:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Regardless, the government should stop all subsidies to them as well as everyone else and get out of the economics business, including ridiculous taxes and surcharges.

Let the market take care of itself. It’ll work out if it’s left alone.


63 posted on 05/31/2011 11:41:37 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SuziQ
>>>I was wondering how she was going to answer the ethanol question. I figured this would be her answer, and I’m glad to hear it!

Though tecnically, she has a potential out on this. Ethanol does not receive direct subsidies. There are tariffs on ethanol imports and a blenders tax credit, but there are no direct payments to ethanol producers.
64 posted on 05/31/2011 11:47:10 AM PDT by NC28203
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To: metmom

What do you consider a subsidy to the oil company? I think it is bizzare that conservatives will parrot the democrat talking points without bothering to understand them.

For example, one of the recent topics of so called subsidies was the Sec. 199: Domestic Manufacturers Deduction. This is a 9% tax deduction applied to ALL US manufacturing, except oil/gas companies. They are limited to 6% deduction.

So are you in favor of ending all domestic manufacturing tax deductions? Or just the reduced one for oil & gas?

Stop promoting the liberals agenda by claiming normal US industry tax deductions are subsidies, even if they are smaller than the other industries claim.


65 posted on 05/31/2011 11:49:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NC28203
Ethanol does not receive direct subsidies.

Paying companies to use ethanol in gasoline is certainly a direct subsidy. And mandating that use is another subsidy.

66 posted on 05/31/2011 11:51:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: blackie

Good for you


67 posted on 05/31/2011 11:58:32 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: thackney
>>>Paying companies to use ethanol in gasoline is certainly a direct subsidy.

Who gets paid to use ethanol?

>>>And mandating that use is another subsidy.

Mandated use is a benefit to ethanol producers but it is not a subsidy. There is no payment from the government to ethanol producers.

I do not support these policies. I'm just noting that the term subsidy is often misused and may provide an out for continuation of these programs. Look how people came to the defense of the oil "subsidies", noting that they are in fact tax credits and not subsidies.
68 posted on 05/31/2011 12:03:30 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: agere_contra
Politicians don’t promise to stop subsidies to get elected, and then renege.

Uh, did we forget "Read my lips, no new taxes."

69 posted on 05/31/2011 12:54:32 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: dsc
During the speech, I became uncomfortable, but had no idea why. I hadn’t believed anything a politician said in so long that it actually gave me cognative dissonance. “Wait, this is a politician, and she’s not lying?”

Great post, I had the same experience. And I found the same reality check:

If a candidate doesn’t drive the leftards into a slavering, convulsing, howling, puking, chewing-their-own-lips-off, full-blown “Exorcist” seizure, that candidate is not morally fit for office.

70 posted on 05/31/2011 12:59:35 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Bigtigermike
I hope she heads back east in PA. Maybe a stop at Ft. Necessity and the Bushy Run Battlefield. During these stops it would nice for her to visit some of the Marcella drilling locations. Talk to the producers and find out the issues with FERC and the environmental lobby. They don't receive subsidies, but they need the government off of their backs. This would garner her a view of energy production problems here in the lower 48.

Of course I would like to drive out and see the family. ;-)
71 posted on 05/31/2011 1:01:27 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: onyx; Bigtigermike; dixiechick2000; ntnychik
Went over and talked to Pawlenty and his people yesterday. Lots of buzz. Overheard, "I had to come see this guy--and I'm a Democrat."

I said the ethanol had a third less energy gallon for gallon and gas prices had doubled since this president took office.

Pawlenty said, "We can't afford these subsidies. We should let the market operate."

Sarah calls out Obama for subsidizing Soros' Brazil oil venture.

Obama is going down. Expect the wailing of winged monkeys to be earsplitting.


72 posted on 05/31/2011 1:16:01 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Bigtigermike

LOL! Ethanol is for DRINKING, not auto fuel!


73 posted on 05/31/2011 1:27:37 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: thackney
Stop promoting the liberals agenda by claiming normal US industry tax deductions are subsidies, even if they are smaller than the other industries claim.

Prove to me where I said that.

74 posted on 05/31/2011 1:47:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
the government should stop all subsidies to them

Back to my first question then. What subsidies are you talking about?

My stance is there are no subsidies, only tax deduction similar, if not less, than those used by all business.

You said subsidies. What are the subsidies you want to stop?

75 posted on 05/31/2011 1:51:40 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dsc

That’s two excellent posts in a row. I feel exactly as you so aptly stated. She had me with the acceptance speech ;)


76 posted on 05/31/2011 2:03:56 PM PDT by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: metmom

Don’t worry about Thackney’s provocations, the poster is just looking for an argument. Doesn’t want to recognize the fact that every business “sector” is unique and treated so by our incomprehensibly complex tax code. So comparing these differences leads nowhere in this type of forum.


77 posted on 05/31/2011 3:46:46 PM PDT by ngat
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To: caww

Growing corn for fuel is mindbogglingly stupid. That has created corn shortages and a huge increase in costs to agriculture. We buy corn for our horses, and the price is more than 1 and a half times what it was a year ago. Think what this means to the cost of raising cattle, chickens, pigs. Has your grocery bill gone up? Of course. and does corn for fuel have any affect on the price of a barrel of oil? Absolutely not.

End all agricultural and manufacturing subsidies. End all foreign aide. End all Congressional subsidies and apply term limits. Especially end all subsidies and bailouts for the banksters.


78 posted on 05/31/2011 4:05:12 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Bigtigermike

“Oh Noes! Who will Big Corn support now?”


79 posted on 05/31/2011 4:05:39 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Bigtigermike
Mitt Romney, who will announce his candidacy Thursday and is considered the front-runner in the GOP field...

Who says that?

80 posted on 05/31/2011 4:06:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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