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Will America Suffer the Fate of Rome?
American Thinker ^ | 05/30/2011 | Robert Klein Engler

Posted on 05/30/2011 7:21:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Many people with whom I talk these days say they sense something is happening to their familiar world.  They are not sure how to put this feeling into words.  For them, the river of time seems to have altered its course.  You hear this uncertainty expressed not only at cocktail parties but at barbecues, too.

We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America." These words by Barack Obama echo through time. Have they been heard before, in another language, in another age?

I sense those who walk by the banks of the Potomac nowadays realize the politics of those who once walked by the banks of the Tiber.  We share in our time, as the United States of America passes into something else, an experience shared by those who lived through the transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire.

Like a mighty river, the flow of politics creates a current that is irresistible. We may want to stop the flow but we can't. That feeling of struggling against the current, of swiming hard but getting nowhere, is what the man cast adrift feels before he is drowned by events."

In Niall Rudd's introduction to his English translation of The Republic and The Laws by the Roman statesman Cicero, Rudd writes:

Cicero dreams of Rome as she had been a hundred years earlier, before the structure had begun to give way under the strains of empire.

Granted, it would be too late to save the Republic now; three years later Caesar would cross the Rubicon. But even if, by some stroke of magic, Cicero's dream had come true, disaster would not have been averted. By the 50s huge problems had developed which could not be solved within the framework of what was, essentially a city-state.

First, an empire of such size and complexity could not be run by a small élite of all-around amateurs in which within a decade the same man might be expected to manage finances, administer city departments, sit as a judge, and lead a military campaign. The voting system was over-centralized and out-dated; citizens could no longer be expected to travel to the capitol for elections and other meetings of the assembly...

There were also intractable economic problems resulting from the decay of smallholdings owing to the absence of farmers on military service...All this led to the growth of a workless and resentful urban proletariat, which could easily be inflamed by demagogues.

That, in turn, contributed to the worse problem of all. Troops were recruited by promise of loot and land...(these troops) depended for their future, not on the Senate, but on the power of an ambitious general...There is an air of unreality about the Laws.

Little by little, the river of time floated the Republic into the Empire. Today, we look back and remember the insanity and debauchery of Caligula. We remember, too, Cicero for is writings and how he, according to Plutarch, "stretched out his neck to meet the murder's stroke."

Now, let us imagine a thousand years from today.  A scholar of that new age is translating from English to his own language what remains of William F. Buckley's God and Man at Yale.

In his introduction to Buckley, this future translator writes about Buckley as if he were the Cicero of his age living in the American Republic, except Buckley did not suffer the fate of having his hands and head cut off by his political enemies.

Our future translator writes:

Buckley dreams of the United States as she had been a hundred years earlier, before the structure had begun to give way under the strains of globalization.

Granted, it would be too late to save the US Constitution, now; the Democrats would run Obama for President.  But even if, by some stroke of magic, Buckley's conservative dream had come true, disaster would not have been averted.

By the late 1990s huge problems had developed which could not be solved within the framework of what was, essentially a nation-state.  First, a nation of such size and complexity as the United States could not be run by a small élite of patronage, party politicians in which within a decade the same man might be expected to manage finances when he was only good at campaigning.

The voting system was corrupted by illegal immigration and out-dated machinery; voters could no longer be expected to prove citizenship, or vote for a candidate who would abolish their government job...

There were also intractable economic problems resulting from the decay of small business, owing to the increase in government regulations and higher taxes ... All this led to the growth of a workless and resentful urban proletariat who lived off welfare, and which could easily be inflamed by Democrat Party demagogues and their media allies.

That, in turn, contributed to the worse problem of all.  Troops, who were recruited to fight the desert wars, came home to inflation, falling property values, and unemployment.  Their patriotism also was suspect in the New North American Union.

Many of these troops joined the underground and resistance.  They were hunted by military drones, the same drones they used for desert warfare ... There is an air of unreality about God and Man at Yale.

Three thousand years have passed in translation.  Our translators wonder if to be born and to die is the common journey of man.  In-between, there is politics; Republics and Empires come and go.  Some are statesmen.  Other men are assassinated.

Robert Klein Engler lives in Des Plaines, Illinois.  His books, Monarchs of August and Contra Obama, are available from Lulu.com.  Read about his legal defense fund.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: america; fallofrome; godsgravesglyphs; immigration; romanempire; rome
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1 posted on 05/30/2011 7:21:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Ner0 -—> Zer0.


2 posted on 05/30/2011 7:23:44 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

Some would say we are way ahead of schedule.


3 posted on 05/30/2011 7:27:17 AM PDT by evad (Obama needs to show us his green card)
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To: Paladin2

He does seem more like a corrupted criminal Mayor than President of the USA.


4 posted on 05/30/2011 7:29:24 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The voting system was corrupted by illegal immigration and out-dated machinery; voters could no longer be expected to prove citizenship, or vote for a candidate who would abolish their government job...

Strike the illegal before immigration. We are being colonized by the Third World, which doesn't share the values of our Founders or the Constitution's vision of government. America will be lost thru the ballot box.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

5 posted on 05/30/2011 7:29:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

On the surface, it appears that the globalization is driven by the demdn for goods and services. But that is well planned faux gremlin. In reality, globalization is driven by the lust for absolute power which the ultimately powerful, the bankers, desire. Globalization now is a repeat of the establishment of the FED way back when the most powerful men in the world met on Jekyl Island to plan the future of America, to reign it in from Independence. A small cadre of people more powerful than Georgie Sorass have globalization as their goal, the surrendering of national borders as protection from change. The hope barry bastard spoke of is the hope held in the plotting black hearts of these globalist designers. The change is the destruction of national sovereognties, just as the We The People sovereignty was surrenders piece by piece to the banking powerful.


6 posted on 05/30/2011 7:31:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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Wow! Need more coffee to make my fingers and brain sinc up ... so many typos, so little time.


7 posted on 05/30/2011 7:32:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes. Fate of Rome, fate of Britain, fate of the several Chinas. The fate of us all. We all die.


8 posted on 05/30/2011 7:33:46 AM PDT by flowerplough (Obama: "Get back inside '67 borders." / Helen Thomas:"Go back to Poland and Germany!")
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To: SeekAndFind

The fall of America will be much worse than the fall of Rome.

1) When Rome fell, there was no organized successor waiting to take over so even as Rome died, Roman culture struggled to live on and eventually began to change (through Germanic influences) into today’s western civilization. Today, we have Islam waiting for us to destroy ourselves and then reboot our culture in their vision.

2) When Rome fell, the Catholic Church was there to preserve civilization during the Dark Ages. Today, our government attempts to insure the marginalization or outright destruction of Christianity as America rots and collapses. Again, Islam is waiting to step in when our government succeeds.


9 posted on 05/30/2011 7:34:18 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: flowerplough
We all die.

And leave what to our children, and their children?...

10 posted on 05/30/2011 7:38:22 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: SeekAndFind

As the saying goes “If we don’t learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.” It seems that our own leaders don’t realize that if we don’t bring our country back to what the people want, they will also fall, as will their families.

The fall of Rome began when they gave up the Republic. Sound familiar? One main difference is that Caesar left Rome, many times, to lead his army in battle. Even Roman Senators had to have served in the military. Today, we are lucky if any of them have served their country. Maybe it’s time to bring in someone like Allen West and turn this country around to what it was meant to be.

Another thing that killed Rome was immigrants and the idea of relying on other countries to supply them what they needed. Oil comes to mind here. I believe that one third of Romans, in the end, were immigrants and they turned on Rome and destroyed it, along with invaders. We are repeating history now......unless we are willing to bring back our countries values.


11 posted on 05/30/2011 7:39:17 AM PDT by RC2
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To: kabar

If immigration were drastically reduced soon, there would still be hope. But as there is no push to do so, even from our ‘conservative’ House of Representatives, I think we will soon pass the demographic point of no return.


12 posted on 05/30/2011 7:42:07 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: Bryanw92

We’d have nothing to fear from Islam if we didn’t allow Muslim immigration. Europe is in much worse shape in that regard.


13 posted on 05/30/2011 7:45:48 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: SeekAndFind
The United States is definitely on the fast track to Caligula.

The Left IS Decadence.

Western Civilization is decadent, and the U.S.A. is part of it.

Unless the American people come to their senses--and fast!--this Decadence will send the U.S. into a free-fall of economic, political, and social disaster, and a monster will seize control! There are many watching and waiting. Make no mistake.

There are monsters who are keeping a watchful eye--right now!--hoping to be the one to seize the falling nation--under the guise of saving it--but with the intent of setting himself (or herself) up as The New Caesar = The New Augustus = The New Caligula = The New Nero!

There always have been, but the time was not right. Now they see the opportunity presenting itself--as The Left leads America to the brink of her fall!

Rome went from Julius Caesar to Caligula in FOUR generations--and Augustus and Tiberius were monsters!

History's warnings are clear!

Will the American people wake up in time to same themselves--and their children?????

14 posted on 05/30/2011 7:46:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast (You can, in fact must, shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. It just must be the truth. Jonah Goldberg)
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To: kabar
From the old line communists to the Nazis, Alinsky and now the environmentalists, it is taught that to affect wide sweeping social change taking control of a new generation of youth is the way.

Those who spread the gospel of AGENDA 21 are clearly winning the battle for international control of land, water and people. I honestly don't think there will be a sovereign state of America in 50 years. The emotional swell that backs the ICLEI movement seems unstoppable.

15 posted on 05/30/2011 7:46:38 AM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: SeekAndFind
There is no bubonic plague to decimate the local populace and no barbarians at the Northern borders so one could assume the fall of the Roman Empire and the Fall of America are dissimilar.

But then there are the modern day versions—since they do reduce the population of the virtuous,value orientated citizen patriots who built America— of the Black Death called elective abortion,sterile sexual perversions and taxpayer support of shiftless entitlement junkies. Plus the barbarians in the form of illegal aliens are already infiltrating ALL our borders. Finally,the obvious analogy of a disconnected from the people,jaded,avarice and power addicted government that just can't give a damn until it is too late with the removal of their own heads at the hands of the savages they let in.

16 posted on 05/30/2011 7:48:10 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("I speak LOUD and I carry an even BIGGER stick! And I use it too-WHACK!!!"-candidate Yosemite Sam.)
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To: Happy Rain
There is no bubonic plague to decimate the local populace and no barbarians at the Northern borders so one could assume the fall of the Roman Empire and the Fall of America are dissimilar.

I guess the ongoing illegal/legal invasion isn't impressive enough for you. As for the plague, abortion might fit the bill.

17 posted on 05/30/2011 7:52:06 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: kabar
"We are being colonized by the Third World, which doesn't share the values of our Founders or the Constitution's vision of government. America will be lost thru the ballot box."

This is the greatest sigle threat to the survival of the United States--

AFTER a corrupt and mendacious Newsmedia that has become a Propaganda Machine imposing the Decadence, i.e. The Left, on America and making Third World colonization, as well as other death blows, possible--and--

AFTER the stupidity and apathy of the millions of Americans who tolerate all this and are themselves fundamentally to blame.

18 posted on 05/30/2011 7:54:58 AM PDT by Savage Beast (You can, in fact must, shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. It just must be the truth. Jonah Goldberg)
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To: SeekAndFind

WHEN? Will America Suffer the Fate of Rome? WHEN?


19 posted on 05/30/2011 7:58:29 AM PDT by FlashFlintlock (The USA is a Failed State)
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To: Bryanw92
"The fall of America will be much worse than the fall of Rome."

Yes!

The Fall of America will be far worse than most people can even imagine!

The Fools who have brought it on will get what they deserve! But their children will not deserve what they get. They will curse their parents!

20 posted on 05/30/2011 7:59:38 AM PDT by Savage Beast (You can, in fact must, shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. It just must be the truth. Jonah Goldberg)
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