Posted on 05/11/2011 9:17:14 AM PDT by petitfour
The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home. Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine who served in Iraq twice, was holding an AR-15 rifle when he was killed, but he never fired a shot, the Sheriff's Department said Monday after initially saying he had fired on officers during last week's raid.
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No doubt all the cops will come to this guy's funeral.
So now this dead marine is in the same category as OBL. You are truly sick.
“Why should we assume he was a bad guy? On what basis?’
Because all non-cops are automatically bad guys in their eyes.
You don't have to GO UP AGAINST people. You SERVE THEM SEARCH WARRENTS, like we used to do. You go to their door, with a warrant (and perhaps a bullet resistant shield, if you really feel you need to), and you let them know they must comply with a search warrant.
Only upon refusal do you employ 'shock and awe'. No-knocks with military tactics like these are BULLS***. People CANNOT KNOW these are cops, and HAVE EVERY RIGHT to defend themselves against armed invaders!!!!!!
Since they killed him, you can bet your ass that he was involved in all types of illegal activity.
I have no way of knowing the truth, but this rings false to me:
“”The suspect said, ‘I’ve got something for you,’ when he saw them,”
Hmmm...US Marine Corps vet, two tours in Iraq, has a gun and when faced with a bunch of armed men...talks before shooting?
My son-in-law did two tours in Iraq with the Marines (infantry). I cannot imagine him saying a word in those circumstances. I’m a USAF vet, never shot anyone with a rifle, and my home defense weapon of choice is a 44 Mag revolver - and I cannot imagine playing James Bond and making a wisecrack before shooting. The first sound will be the 44 firing.
Don’t know, but that part really stuck out to me as being odd.
Whatever. Nothing I type ever makes any difference to you. But, please, in the future capitalize ‘Marine’ when you write it.
There's no way 71 shots were fired just from a 2.5 to 3 foot busted in front doorway. The cops had to have already been inside the house. So, something had to have gone down. If, as the article says that he said he was going to give it to them and refused to lower his weapon, well... Still, two shots should has sufficed. One warning and if that didn't work, then the last one.
Holy sh*t.
With people like you out there, America is a finished country.
Perhaps it always has been.
Police change story in fatal shooting; wife wants answers
http://www.kold.com/story/14604192/wife
Vanessa Guerena wants answers from police after they acknowledged that her husband did not shoot at them before they shot him to death.
Pima County Sheriff’s investigators said Monday that contrary to initial reports, Jose Guerena did not fire at them Thursday as they served a search warrant for his home. Nevertheless, deputies shot and killed him.
Guerena did have a gun in his hand and pointed it at the officers, but he did not fire it, said Deputy Erin Gibson with the sheriff’s department.
Vanessa Guerena was in her son’s room, she says, when she saw a man outside pointing a gun at her.
“I was yelling ‘Jose, Jose, somebody’s here. Wake up, wake up!’ so he can hear because the door was closed.”
26-year-old Jose Guerena, a Tucson native and former Marine, jumped up and asked what was wrong. When his wife told him, he grabbed an assault rifle and told her to stay in their son’s room.
“The only thing he told me, the last thing he told me - Vani ,go into the closet with the kid. Go!”
So that’s what she did with their 4-year-old son.
It was the last time she saw her husband of nearly nine years alive.
Heres the biggest clue the cops messed up, if he was indeed some big-time dope dealer, had a violent criminal history or a pile of illegal weapons the cops would be singing it from the roof tops.
6 days in a still no info, yeah they know they are in deep shit.
I know... It's a lot simpler to just kick his door in and shoot him. But just think of all the additional paperwork now.
At least you and your buddies can go home safe.
Isn't that all that counts?
It truly has become, ALL CITIZENS versus ALL COPS, hasn't it?
You guys have truly chosen to make war against us all, haven't you?
Can anyone say "Police state"? Does anyone else see this as scary?
Needs repeating...
First, I doubt very seriously that the SWAT teams,as a whole, have any kind of physiological screening. Mine doesn't. This is a critical fault because you don't need cowboys on a SWAT team - the number of “non-targets” in and around a SWAT operation greatly out number the officers and objectives of the raid. Hitting a non-target should result in immediate removal from the SWAT team plus every SWAT member involved in the raid need to be decertified and sent back through training.
Second, I doubt very seriously that most SWAT teams have to re qualify on a regular basis. If SWAT is the top of the ladder then they MUST ensure that everyone is at the top of their game all the time. If you don't have a regular re certification program how do you know the quality of the team.
Third, I would pay the SWAT team a bonus for every raid that is executed that they don't fire their weapons. Right now they have all these nifty toys and a hard ass image to live up to.
Yes, I realize that we only hear about the botched raids. But what is the threshold for the acceptable number of “non-target” WIA/KIA? It will be much better for the individual SWAT organizations to develop and maintain a quality control program on their own rather than having it forced upon them by the courts. It is coming - the question is which way interferes with SWAT operations the least?
Sadly, these days its getting harder and harder to tell them apart, even with the badges...
If the judge agrees, he or she will sign the warrant. The police then execute said warrant.
Upon executing the warrant, if you open the door and see a subject of the warrant pointing a high-powered semi-automatic rifle at you, you may then choose to fire or be shot. These officers chose the former.
You know why a lot of criminals end up dieing in these types of raids? It's not because they think the cops have busted through their door. It's because they think other criminals have busted through their door to take their stuff.
Again, I'm assuming this was a bad guy. It's either that or the entire first part of the criminal justice system screwed up big time. And usually the simplest answer is the correct answer.
I agree. 6 days and still no info? Smells like Thick Blue Wall time.
Wow after reading the article I’d have to agree with you. They called off the rescue folks and let the guy bleed out.
I was PERSONALLY involved with a case in Dallas where the Dallas PD DEFINITELY did this (or tried to). I saw their victim in the ER and we managed to save his life but no thanks to the Dallas PD who there was DOCUMENTED evidence that they had done exactly this.
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