Posted on 05/11/2011 9:17:14 AM PDT by petitfour
The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home. Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine who served in Iraq twice, was holding an AR-15 rifle when he was killed, but he never fired a shot, the Sheriff's Department said Monday after initially saying he had fired on officers during last week's raid.
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Everytime I hear something like this, I wonder how people would react if it was portrayed honestly in an old Western movie. The Sheriff shows up with a posse of 12 men, armed and with scarves over their faces. They knock once on the door, then kick it in. The "bad guy" is crouched behind the bed, his girlfriend and her children are hiding in a nearby closet. The Sheriffs posse begins shooting as soon as they see the man, knowing that he will be armed because well, who isn't armed in their own house, with the possibility of Indians, or thieves (read Indians or bank robbers). They then drag the girlfriend from the scene with her arms severely twisted behind her back, tearing a rotator cuff (most common injury), and watch as the "bad guy" dies. They laugh and brag that their shot was the deadly one. Sheriff, instead of looking at the men with a sad look as in the old Western, reassures them that they did the right thing. The judge helps with the coverup, as well as the local newspaper editor. After all, this guy was "BAD".
“We can’t have ROE here like we do with our military. That’s how our guys die in the Middle East.”
So our police should have a more relaxed ROE than our military? Are you insane!?
71 shots fired?
One suspect?
IDIOTS.
Probally lucky that they did not shoot one of their own.
How can something that Marines face court martial for in a “war zone” the “right thing to do” in a America where we are GUARANTEED the security of our home by the govt that violates that security without warning? They easily could have knocked on the door, told him to send anyone out of the house from a bullhorn, or made a stinking phone call. The police initiated this murder, and they deserve to “hang” for it as sure as I am sitting here.
Somebody is damned sure lying.
My bet is it’s the cops.
Their story just doesn’t sound right.
They claim to have shouted “Police” and responded with lights and sirens. When did any police force ever do that when they serve these warrants. Other warrants were served round the neighborhood with the same noise and these people didn’t hear it.
They expected the small kid and the mother to be gone when they got there? BS.
The story just isn’t right.
WRONG!
The military are at WAR with our ENEMIES and should have wide discretion to wage the war. LEOs are enforcing law against citizens, who have RIGHTS, including the presumption of innocence.
LEOs must take every possible step to preserve the life of the presumptively innocent citizen (in this case a US Marine Corps. veteran).
Of course the guy was up to no good. ALL civilians are criminals don’t ya know. They just haven’t been arrested yet.
It doesn’t matter if he sells drugs to kids, or rapes the neighborhoods animals. The guy deserves to be tried in a court of law, not burst in upon and murdered. We don’t need the military operating in our nation to violate posse comitatus, the police are doing a fine job of it.
In a nation where people have and exercise the right to bear arms in defense of their homes and families, breaking down someone's door is a potentially lethal proposition.
The only way it can be made "safe" for the officers is to insure that nobody in the home will attempt to defend it and the occupants with lethal force, and you can't do that and leave the 2A intact.
Roe in the Middle East states that you can’t fire unless fired upon. So I guess you have to wait until you get shot? I don’t think that is what we want. If a person is told to drop the weapon, or the police feel they are in danger, they have no choice but to take the guy down. As I said, there might be more to this story than we are being told.
I read the article first, the sad part is that there is NOBODY IN ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT THAT TRULY SERVES WE THE PEOPLE, The DA is a COP and is there to protect COPS nothing more. This is precisely why we USED TO HAVE CITIZEN GRAND JURIES, time to bring them back in Spades.
When your only tool is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail.
Unfortunately LEOs don’t consider anyone’s rights or safety except their own.
They are trained to do exactly what happened here.
I don't freakin' care. Quit with the militarization of the gaw-damned police.
This is America, not East Freakin' Germany.
Is there something about a DA in the story? The Pima County Attorney is a female. I’m pretty sure she was never a cop.
Swat teams are trained for “action” when facing an enemy weapon firing or not. Get off the backs of law-enforcement and the military they are not trained to put a hand up and shout.....are you going to fire?
Dear Boot Licker,
Maybe you should read the damn article before spouting off with your typical jack booted thug response. It clearly States they WENT IN UNANNOUNCED AND BEGAN FIRING. Now go lick some boots jerk.
How about you get rid of our Standing Army, that the Founders warned us about?????!???!??!
The militarization of law enforcement has gone too far and you want them to go further. You want cops to start shooting everyone they feel might be a threat. Judge Dredd anyone?
The cops have already been caught lying in this case. They let the man die instead of rendering first aid. They stopped the fire rescue from responding. They murdered this man.
But you’re right there is more to this story than we are being told. I’m sure the truth makes the cops look even worse.
Justice is blind.. and so, apparently is the legal system in this country as well..
another victim of WoD? or just a poor soul caught up in the middle of law enforcement making another community safer for all of us.. except those who own weapons and seek to protect their families against all comers.
RIP Marine
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