Oh my: Release of Obama birth certificate cuts number of Birthers in half

Hotair ^ | 05/06/2011 | Allahpundit

[SeekAndFind]

The good news: It’s a heavy blow to the Trump boomlet. The bad news: … none that I can think of, really.

Actually, the bad news is that I lose a vein of easy content to blog. Help me, viral videos, you’re my only hope.

More crosstabs from WaPo. The “Honolulu/Hawaii” column is the big one, obviously:

This poll was conducted before Obama’s announcement of the Bin Laden killing, in case you’re inclined to attribute the huge bounce to goodwill rather than evidence. Needless to say, the key lines are the ones for Republicans and Conservative Republicans; in both groups, the number of Birthers was cut by more than half after the birth certificate revelation. (In fact, it was likely deeper than that. Birtherism had been spiking in the last few weeks since Trump mainstreamed the issue, so it was probably higher than the April 2010 numbers shown here.) I argued a few weeks ago that, contrary to big media’s received wisdom, Birthers aren’t a homogeneous group but rather a mix of hardcore and softcore believers, the latter of which were simply misinformed because they weren’t following the issue closely. These numbers bear that out. Which, for Chris Matthews, means … what? Republicans are racist, but maybe not quite as racist as he thought? What happens to the narrative?

Some people were hassling me in Headlines over this poll because I suggested yesterday in the post about the Bin Laden photos that evidence doesn’t convince skeptics anymore. Fair enough; at the very least, I should have qualified that by specifying that I meant skeptics with an agenda. But give the Birther issue time. I’ll be mighty keen to see if the numbers still look like this in six months — which, theoretically, they should — or if they start to creep back up as discontent with Obama’s policies rises and/or hardcore Birthers regroup and start challenging the long-form birth certificate. Trump had better hope so. Somehow, I don’t see the “trade war with China” platform carrying him to the nomination.

[Plummz]

You said Barak Sr "always" claimed Barry as his son. That is untrue. He did it once after several years of failing to do so. That is not "always."

Please don't try to paper over your mistakes (lies?) by lying about what I posted. If your mistake was honest, admit to it and move on. If the misinformation you posted was deliberate, please do not compound your offense by piling on more lies.

Thanks.

[WhiskeyX]

You said Barak Sr "always" claimed Barry as his son. That is untrue. He did it once after several years of failing to do so. That is not "always."

The divorce papers indicate he was the father of the child from the viewpoint of the government of the State of Hawaii. I see no court case in which a decision and court order was issued to recognize someone else as the father whose citizenship would have determined the natural born citizenship of the child. Even if it is somehow demonstrated in the future that Lolo Soetoro was a court ordered adoptive stepfather as often suspected because of family statements, court documents, and other documents; any subsequent allegiance and naturalized citizenship in Indonesia or elsewhere would do nothing to change the child's natural born allegiance to Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain resulting from the legal documents identifying the father at birth as Barack Hussein Obama I.

I see no legal document in which Barack Hussein Obama I denied being the father of the child, but I do see legal documents in which he did not dispute being the father of the child. You can forget about trying to spin and dodge and throwing around careless and false accusations of lies to obfuscate your own comments. Come up with a legal document in which Barack Hussein Obama I refuted the legal documents and his own comments to the INS and other authorities by declaring to a court or other competent legal authority something to the effect of "I am not the father of Barack Hussein Obama I." Otherwise, the comment that he always claimed to be the father of his son must stand upon the basis of the divorce records, Immigration and Naturalization Service records, and other authoritative government records that actually control such a status.

As for your stridently false accusations....let's just charitably say they do you no credit.

[Plummz]

the comment that he always claimed to be the father of his son

.... remains false. Just admit your mistake. Your strident blatherings only reveal yourself as someone willing to lie. A shame.

[noinfringers2]

I have often mused as to why the Founding Fathers in the Constitution did not simply say POTUSA must be just a ‘citizen’ as they specified only that for Senators and Representatives. Notably, The Founders did not place any such requiremente for Judge of the Supreme Court but They did specify such Judges had power over ‘citizens’. Is it to be taken then that Supreme Court judges have no power as to a ‘natural born citizen’ only as to disputes in governance? So can we set aside ‘natural born’ as in the province of the SC? Indeed, there need be no use of the SC to consider if there is a difference between ‘natural born citizen’ and ‘citizen’ because the difference has already been differentiated by the Constitution. It is the established difference that has to be dealt with. I take that when Jay suggested to Washington something more than just ‘citizen’ was needed for POTUSA and Washington had the words ‘natural born citizen’ installed for POTUSA there was a difference intended. The problem remains as to how the ‘natural born’ is enforced/carried out. Only a diligent Congress is left. The USA has neither a diligent Congress or an honorable Congress.

[WhiskeyX]

.... remains false. Just admit your mistake. Your strident blatherings only reveal yourself as someone willing to lie. A shame.

Produce the court order which changed the father of the child at birth from Barack Hussein Obama I to someone else, or produce the court document in which Barack Hussein Obama I ever denied being the father of the child. Otherwise, Barack Hussein Obama I was always the legal father of the child at birth, just as he acknowledged in interviews with the INS, divorce proceedings, and his visit to his son and his son's school.

LIBEL FOR DIVORCE [….] That one child has been born to said Libellant and Libellee as issue of said marriage, to wit: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II, a son, born August 4, 1961

DECREE OF DIVORCE[...]IT IS FURTHER HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED that the Libellant be and also is hereby granted the care, custody and control of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II the minor child of the parties hereunto, with the right of reasonable visitation in the Libellee, and further that the question of child support is specifically reserved until raised hereafter by Libellant.

Oh yeah, you can't and won't, because it does not exist...go figure. You'd rather invent fairy tales to make the eligibility issue falsely appear to be the hobby horse of "nutjobs", instead of the genuine Constitutional crisis it truly represents.

[Plummz]

You should really apologize for all of your distasteful lies.

[WhiskeyX]

You must be rehearsing for the role of the Black Knight in a Monty Python comedy: “It’s only a flesh wound.”

[AmericanVictory]

What is the basis for your contention that “law” overrides the Constitution? Do you know of any case law that supports that contention?

[Plummz]

You seem prone to violent fantasies. Fits the profile.

[WhiskeyX]

You seem prone to violent fantasies. Fits the profile.

Really? So, now you're quoting the lines of Inspector Fox of the Light Entertainment Police (Comedy Division, Spec. Flying Squad), Monty Python. What's your next persona, Inspector Fox in the Getting Hit on the Head lessons, or Mr. Debassey in Abuse from the Argument Clinic?

All of your comedy is really unnecessary, you know. All you need to do is document exactly where Barack Hussein Obama I denied being the father of his son at birth in the divorce court decree or other authoritative and controlling court record. While you're at it, you also need to explain when, where, and how he denied being the father of his son while he corresponded with his son in High School. You are also going to need to explain why his family members in Kenya and other Kenyans have recognized Barack Hussein Obama II as the son of Barack Hussein Obama I from 1961 to the present day. They'll sure be surprised when you produce the court document in which he declared, "I was not the father of this child." Oh, sorry...you won't, because you can't, because it doesn't exist, because he never made such a claim to a court, because it's your fantasy.

What's next, you're going to do another comedic impression of Baghdad Bob?

[Plummz]

Why have you posted another lie about what I have claimed?

To draw attention away from your initial false claim/s, no doubt.

Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.

[WhiskeyX]

Why have you posted another lie about what I have claimed?

To draw attention away from your initial false claim/s, no doubt.

ease stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.

If you insist upon playing the role of Baghdad Bob having a nice day at the Monty Python Argument Clinic, we can respond accordingly.

I>Oh my: Release of Obama birth certificate cuts number of Birthers in half

Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:04:44 AM · 339 of 351

Plummz to WhiskeyX

your claim that Barack Hussein Obama I did not claim his marriage and son as an excuse for keeping his visa

I never made any such claim. This is a lie. What is your problem? Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.

Oh my: Release of Obama birth certificate cuts number of Birthers in half

Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:48:02 PM · 336 of 351

Plummz to WhiskeyX

Thanks for confirming my point that you were incorrect in saying Barak Sr was the primary male parent for Barry when by every indication his primary male parent was indeed his (Un)American Communist biological father FMD.

Barack Hussein Obama I... always represented themselves to the State of Hawaii, the universities, and the U.S. Immigration as husband, wife, and son.

This is untrue. Barak Sr pointedly did not represent to the feds that Barry I as his son for several years.

You have been offered every opportunity to identify when: "Barak Sr pointedly did not represent to the feds that Barry I as his son for several years." You have also been invited to present evidence of any court document which would reverse the well documented fact that Obama I was identified for legal purposees as the father of Obama II from August 1961 to the present day. Since it is documented that "Barak Sr pointedly did [...] represent to the feds that Barry I as his son," your claim he "did not [...] for several years" appears to be obviously contrary to the document/s and the truth. So, whenever you are ready, you may proceed to present the document/s in which Obama denied being the father of Obama II.

[Plummz]

You need to review the INS documents again. From August 1961 for several years afterward, Barak Sr pointedly did not represent to the feds that Barry II was his son. He did once, when his time was running out after four years or so, but "once" is not the same as "always." You need to stop defending this untenable position that "once" = "always" because it is false. The first time you posted that it may have been a mistake, but repeating it is a lie.

Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.

[WhiskeyX]

You need to review the INS documents again. From August 1961 for several years afterward, Barak Sr pointedly did not represent to the feds that Barry II was his son. He did once, when his time was running out after four years or so, but "once" is not the same as "always." You need to stop defending this untenable position that "once" = "always" because it is false. The first time you posted that it may have been a mistake, but repeating it is a lie.

Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.

In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate Barack Hussein Obama I overtly and explicitly denied being the father of Barack Hussein Obama II at the time the child was born and natural born British citizenship was established by law. So, where is the evidence you have for this "once" you are claiming? What is the name of the document, and what is the quotation of what it had to say?

[Plummz]

you have no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate Barack Hussein Obama I overtly and explicitly denied being the father

And for the third time I am teling you I never made any such claim and your insinuations to the contrary are lies. Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com

[WhiskeyX]

To: Plummz You need to review the INS documents again. From August 1961 for several years afterward, Barak Sr pointedly did not represent to the feds that Barry II was his son. He did once, when his time was running out after four years or so, but "once" is not the same as "always." You need to stop defending this untenable position that "once" = "always" because it is false. The first time you posted that it may have been a mistake, but repeating it is a lie.

Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com.

In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate Barack Hussein Obama I overtly and explicitly denied being the father of Barack Hussein Obama II at the time the child was born and natural born British citizenship was established by law. So, where is the evidence you have for this "once" you are claiming? What is the name of the document, and what is the quotation of what it had to say?

354 posted on Friday, May 20, 2011 7:17:31 AM by WhiskeyX

Oh my: Release of Obama birth certificate cuts number of Birthers in half Friday, May 20, 2011 8:33:14 PM · 355 of 355 Plummz to WhiskeyX

you have no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate Barack Hussein Obama I overtly and explicitly denied being the father

And for the third time I am teling you I never made any such claim and your insinuations to the contrary are lies. Please stop posting lies to FreeRepublic.com

You did not answer the questions. So, where is the evidence you have for this "once" you are claiming? What is the name of the document, and what is the quotation of what it had to say? In other words, you refuse to identify the so-called evidence you claim to have which identifies the "once" and only occasion when: "He did once, when his time was running out after four years or so {....]" You must know that you made a false claim, otherwise, you would identify this "once" and only "once" document.

[Plummz]

Here is one of the documents where Barak Sr did not "always" claim Barry as his son. There are others:

[DiogenesLamp]

Okay. Lay it on me. Between your not-suspicious-in-the-slightest sign-up date, and the persistent earnestness with with you've been dangling your bait, I'm expecting pure gold, mind you.

It's been over a year since I first posted my theory on Frank being the Father. How do you like my theory now?