Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims

msDNC ^ | 4/10/11 | Michael Isikoff

[Nachum]

Comments follow statements by Donald Trump questioning legitimacy of president's birth record

The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.

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"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.

Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.

Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."

[Grunthor]

“Hawaii official denounces ‘ludicrous’ birther claims”

Just post the long form, the college transripts and most of this goes away. Or Obama does.

[butterdezillion]

It is not the ONLY thing he could get. The HDOH Administrative Rules say the registrant could get a copy of even the confidential medical portion of the long-form birth certificate simply by requesting it. The COLB is the default when somebody requests a birth certificate, but a person CAN get the whole deal upon request. And that is documented by those who have received long-forms. Micki Booth got a copy of her son’s long-form on March 15, 2011. That’s at http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205497_1646821495774_1394022018_31363733_2189254_n.jpg

There is video of a woman at the HDOH office ordering a certified copy of her long-form and being told she would receive it in 2 weeks. That’s at http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/some-tropical-truth/ .

These people are blatantly lying, which we can see by the documentation in front of our faces. And they call US “ludicrous” for believing our lying eyes rather than the documented liars that they are.

[fabian]

He obviously was not born in Hawaii or the US. There is no other reason to fight this than that!

[Quickgun]

Ugh. FukiNo

[Zman516]

Fuk-if-I-know!

[Georgia Girl 2]

Yes all you ever get is a certified copy. I had to get one once for my passport. I can assure you the US passport office will not accept a COLB.

So in essence all of this mumbo jumbo is an attempt to assist Barry Soetoro or whatever his real name in his ongoing fight to keep his records under wraps.

I hope Donald Trump blows the lid off this and soon.

[bergmeid]

Thanks for responding, butter. I think I’ll send a request to Okubo for the document pertaining to the Metadata of the IT system used in Vital Records. I don’t know how they would train a newly hired database administrator without this document.

And if it doesn’t exist, seems like they would need to hire someone to document all this stuff (job creation!). I can’t imagine a system not having this type of information readily available.

Do you know how long the HDOH has to (theoretically) respond to my request? I know you’ve tangoed with these people repeatedly :-)

[EDINVA]

He’s a she. And, for what it’s worth, she served under Lingle, the then-GOP Gov of HI. I don’t know if Lingle was able to find another R on any of the islands.

[mojitojoe]

Well .... remember Christmas of 2008 when the lights went out for several hours? My guess is that is when the fix was done. They probably needed to hand write it because no time to find a typewriter to match.

[Diogenesis]

Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

How many people have been murdered
to coverup the fact that pRes_ _ent Obama is not eligible to be POTUS?

[mojitojoe]

Hmmmm, I didn’t realize that it appears she is on a plane. Now that is interesting.

[mojitojoe]

I got a copy of my long form this last year (not in Hawaii) and it was like pulling teeth to get it. As soon as I said what I wanted the woman(African American) got a major attitude. It took me a good 10 minutes to finally get her to admit I could get the long form.

[butterdezillion]

They’re supposed to reply within 10 business days, but they can respond by asking a stupid question, trying to say they don’t understand what you’re asking for.

The people you’d need to talk to would actually probably be the IT people; if you go through the HDOH that’ll just add another 10 business days for them to waste, sending it on to IT. I think it was 6 months or something before I finally got a response where they said that revealing the record I asked for would frustrate a legitimate government function (they can’t maintain records if somebody knows when the record for Barack Hussein Obama II was accessed).

If the Hawaii government ever gets done doing their “power maintenance”, you should be able to find contact information for the IT people at http://hawaii.gov/lrb/capitoli/dirguide/ .

Good luck, and I hope this helps. If there’s anything I can do to help just give me a yell and if I can do it, I will.

[ilovesarah2012]

On Page 26 of “Dreams of My Father”, Obama writes: “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,” While this brief quote does not state WHAT article it is that Obama found, it does mention that he found it WITH his BIRTH CERTIFICATE. This would have been in the mid 70′s, so this birth certificate would not have been a computer generated document. http://james4america.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/from-dreams-of-my-father/ Obama has his birth certificate. He said so. But he won't show it. Why???

[bergmeid]

Thanks for that link! So by clicking around a bit this is what I got:

http://hawaii.gov/auditor/Overviews/2009/09-06overview.pdf

This document created by the State Auditor Marion M. Higa in March 2009 (2 yrs ago) pretty much states that the IT function in Hawaii is a stepchild, receives minimal attention and probably insufficient funding.

I think I’ll send an email to Ms. Higa to find out if anything happened to improve the situation after she sent this document to the Governor (I assume).

Anyway, thanks Butter. This is a start. It will be interesting to see what Higa says.

[The Theophilus]

She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files

Its very possible this person did see the original Kenyan birth certificate, and indeed it is genuine. This statement doesn't disqualify that possibility.

As for the birth announcements in the news paper. Mom, a banker, probably yelled at her hussy daughter to get the hell back to Hawaii; she then placed the announcement in the newspapers as any grandmother would do over her grandson - fully expecting her daughter and her new born to be back "home" as soon as possible.

[Greenperson]

The state official in charge of vital records would be the State Registrar, or Alvin Onaka, in 2007 and when Fukino made her statements.

It’s an outright lie that a person cannot get a copy of a long form. There’s a copy at the Post & Email News right now, obtained March 15, 2011:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/07/exposing-the-birth-certificate-lies-used-to-cover-for-obama/205497_1646821495774_1394022018_31363733_2189254_n/

Click the image to enlarge it.

[Greenperson]

Nothing written down regarding their computer data entry or processing procedures or policies? That has to be the very most OBVIOUS OUTRIGHT LIE of all. How the heck do they train employees? How the heck did they have a database created? How the heck did the programmers know the data fields and how to set up the data entry screens to edit and thus prevent errors? How did they put out requests for proposals? They would need detailed specifications. Whoever set up the computer system would have detailed specs. They would have to have these records. Especially because it’s a government entity that runs on taxpayer money. They have to be accountable to the taxpayers.

[Greenperson]

What kind of reporter is Isikoff if instead of investigating this situation and procedure at the actual HDOH, he instead interviews a FORMER official? She can say anything now and it carries about as much weight as whatever I say to a reporter. She can’t lose her job if she lies. She isn’t under oath. She didn’t sign an affidavit, like Tim Adams did. Wouldn’t it make more sense to investigate AT the HDOH? Why didn’t they tape her or at least publish a transcript of the entire interview, in context? It doesn’t pass the smell test.

[BluH2o]

What kind of reporter is Isikoff if instead of investigating this situation and procedure at the actual HDOH, he instead interviews a FORMER official?

Isikoff carried water for the Clinton regime ... he's a screaming liberal of the first order.