that would be the one that the GOVERNOR couldn't find???
Posted on 04/10/2011 10:01:50 AM PDT by Nachum
Comments follow statements by Donald Trump questioning legitimacy of president's birth record
The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.
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House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan defended his plan to redesign the government’s biggest health insurance plans on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday, saying it was necessary to avert a sovereign debt crisis. Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims NYT: In budget deal, Obama takes middle path NYT: Next up for Washington: Fight over debt NJ: A blow to Boehner, Obama and the nation
"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.
Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.
Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."
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nice of her to speak up now after Lt Col LArkin has gone to prison...and if Obama shows one now what does that say about him?
Hawaii either through forethought or incompetence has muddied the waters about BHOzo’s alleged birth there...from HDOH statments to Abercrumb to this ignorant AG spokesperson saying you cant get a copy of your long form..its clear either Hawaii is incompetent or taking into acocunt their sudden change to try and say long forms were no longer available and even changing procedures -indicates they are part of a plan to hide the LF...the people of the US have a tangible interest in BHO’s birth and any judge that says otherwise is lying through their teeth.
is our government incompetent or complicit?
Isakoff didn't even quote Fukino on this in his story. Everything that came out of Fukino's mouth should have been qouted.
Both.
This is the White House directing their corrupt ninny and whore Fukino with the lamestream lib hack media as Trump makes gains on Zero’s ineligibility. Count on investigators looking into Trump’s deals and personal life to discredit him and create a ruckus, typical Obamanation tactics.
And their pathetic attempt at placating the masses not up to speed on the issue have only strengthened the evidence of lies, fraud by those keeping an account of the facts.
And who better than Isikoff, “investigator” who wouldn’t disclose about Monica Lewinsky, right silly hack? Oh but rest assured folks, this is a “rare interview? Pardonnez-moi, but isn’t Fukino the only one making these statements? Why is that? And she’s not even working for HI Dept of Health anymore. LOL
First the media years ag via CNN Jonathon Klein stated no more archive of Hawaii long forms, all were destroyed 2001, so that image Zero put up is all poor Barry has.
LIE.
Yet as late as 2009 Dept of Hawaii Homelands required the long form over the short form:
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/LoaaKaAinaHoopulapula-DHHLrequir-2.jpg
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/LoaaKaAinaHoopulapula-DHHLrequir-1.jpg
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/LoaaKaAinaHoopulapula-DHHLrequirest.jpg
In addition Hawaii state law requires a long form be available:
HRS §338, HRS §578
And is received by someone filling out a request for $10.
Former Director Fukino made 2 public statements violating her own state law. She must submit documentation for her statements that:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago....”
Here is the HI Statute 338 —— “The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.”
Fukino must show documentation, she refuses.
Then, Jill T. Nagamine, Deputy Attorney General for the State of Hawaii, had made it clear that her office will not corroborate or back in any way the July 27, 2009 Statement of Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, which declared Obama Hawaiian-born and a “natural-born American citizen.”
Then former Gov Lingle sent out a form letter stating it’s illegal for her to verify where Obambi was born....
yet,
THEN Lingle gives radio interview:
“It’s been an odd situation... This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country... So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it’s again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this.”
LIE. No birth hospital was ever mentioned by Fukino. In addition, isn’t she breaking the law now?
Hawaii open records law requires anyone can request a non-certified copy of Zero’s short form certification of live birth, because he claimed to have published it online, the public statements made by officials, and the “scintilla of public interest” — even confidential records, that interest outweighed any privacy protections.
The point that people need to remind themselves, and in argument with the Obots, is that although the certification of live birth short form is constantly brought up by the media and officials in a way that says, “it’s all he would have been issued..”
NO OFFICIAL HAS SEEN OR VERIFIED ZERO’S ONLINE SHORT FORM IMAGES.
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu231/firewaller/barack-obama-birth-certificate_472x.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu231/firewaller/JoeMillerwithObamasBC.jpg
Never been submitted to anyone but 2 hacks at Factcheck. No HI official. Because it’s a forgery. Forget document schematics. It’s common sense.
In addition, at the bottom of every COLB there is the statement:
“this copy serves as prima facie evidence in any court proceeding...”
Prima facie evidence right? Says born in Hawaii right?
When has Zero presented this in court in nearly 100 proceedings around the U.S.:
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/current-lawsuit-listing/eligibility-case-archive/
NONE.
Again, common sense it’s a forgery. And he has spent well over $2 million, easily $6-10 million conservative estimate on top law firms.
Grand conspiracy of common sense again. But wait, now the Obots demand proof that top Constitutional lawyers are actually expensive.
So A) Barry’s images, documents scanned online seen by no official, and B) Official statements on Zero’s birth record they refuse (yet required) to release documentation on.
Conclusion?
Zero’s on the HI birth registry/index yet probably incomplete documentation, no prima facie evidence of birth in Hawaii, no complete long form birth certificate, and he’s in their records as (thousands?) historically were put on born abroad because of loose Hawaii laws to inflate population to earn state status and government money.
"either the attorney general is lying and breaking the law, or Dr. Fukino and Janice Okubo are."
I'm strongly of a mind to side with the AG. Is there any reason to think otherwise?
HF
It only "makes no sense" if one infers that all the players are telling the truth.
HF
At this point they’re ALL lying. The attorneys among them are making just as many false public statements as Fukino and her minions - and that is a terrible thing to have to say, as anybody who knows my thoughts about the HDOH knows.
that would be the one that the GOVERNOR couldn't find???
The HDOH says there is nothing written down regarding their computer data entry or processing procedures or policies. Not even any training materials. Nothing.
They would have us believe they fly by the seat of their pants on EVERYTHING. Yet this is supposed to be an accountable form of government that answers to the law with transparency.
I wish I could help you. God knows I’ve tried to get some of these answers. He also knows what the HDOH has been doing in response. They will answer for it someday.
Wiki:
Mark J. Bennett
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mark J. Bennett is a Honolulu, Hawaii attorney and served as Attorney General of Hawaii from 2003 to 2010 in the two-term administration of Republican Governor Linda Lingle. He is the first attorney general appointed by a Republican governor since the governorship of William F. Quinn, the first elected governor of the state. Bennett was preceded in office by Earl I. Anzai and later succeeded to the office by David M. Louie.
In 1976, Bennett obtained his bachelor of arts degree in political science from Union College in Schenectady. He attended Cornell University Cornell Law School in Ithaca where he sat on the Board of Editors of the Cornell Law Review. There, he received his Juris Doctor in 1979. After leaving law school, Bennett became clerk to Samuel Pailthorpe King who served as chief judge of the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii. Completing his clerkship, Bennett became Assistant United States Attorney serving in Washington, D.C. from 1980 to 1982 and in Honolulu until 1990. In 1991, Bennett went into private legal practice as a partner at the firm of McCorriston Miller Mukai MacKinnon LLP. At the same time, he worked pro-bono for the attorney general’s office and taught at the William S. Richardson School of Law.[1]
In rare fashion but as prescribed by law, from August 25 to September 3, 2004, Bennett served as Acting Governor of Hawaii upon the absence of Governor Linda Lingle and Lt. Governor James Aiona.[2] The executives left the Hawaiian Islands to attend the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City.
He is married to Honolulu attorney Patricia Tomi Ohara.[2]
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13584825
HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - Hawaii State Attorney General Mark Bennett announced he will join the law firm Starn O'Toole Marcus & Fisher.
In Jan. 2011, Bennett will be a director specializing in complex litigation at both the trial and appellate levels.
Bennett was appointed as attorney general by Gov. Lingle in 2003.
He served two consecutive four-year terms, making him the longest serving attorney general in state history.
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Fukino was legally required to release non-certified copies of Obama’s “vital records” to the public the moment she made a public announcement about what was on them.
She knows it. She’s been told repeatedly by people asking for the records as UIPA requires her to release.
Just like she knew the HDOH Administrative Rules were required to be posted on the HDOH website at all times - especially after being told that by requesters for about a month.
What Tim Adams’ affidavit said about Fukino is exactly right: she is lying and covering up. They know what the laws say. They just refuse to obey.
HF
Not after years of Fukino and Okubo parsing nonsense. Side with the AG. They also refuse to make an statement on Obama's COLB.
“Am I reading this correctly? Is she saying that if Obama himself wanted a copy of his birth certificate he could only get a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth?”
Yes, she and other HI officials have said that for some time.
What Obama produced back in 2008 is the COLB, which is the standard form a requester of HI birth records would get.
Let’s see. They ignore snail mail or deny that they got it, even if you’ve got delivery confirmation.
They no longer have a public e-mail address listed on their website; you’re supposed to use a web form so you don’t have any proof that you sent your request and they can ignore it into perpetuity. BUT THIS ONE WORKS JUST FINE: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov .
Fax they will also ignore, but this is Okubo’s fax number:
808-586-4444 .
Good luck getting them to answer the phone.
Voicemail goes not to Okubo but to the Vital Records Office. I had a lovely visit with a supervisor there who called me after their office was closed. Not that it got any results...
I’ve been protesting online for a while. I haven’t tried smoke signals but I think they probably have it figured out that I’m a bit hot under the collar. lol
Show it Hawaii. I promise to show you mine.
At this point there are 4 reasons that Hawaii law actually REQUIRES his birth certificate to be disclosed - albeit a CERTIFIED birth certificate can only be disclosed to someone who has a “direct and tangible interest”.
For a discussion of those 4 reasons, you can look at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2701411/posts?page=34#34 and follow the comments. Here are the 4 reasons I gave, based on what HRS 338-18 and UIPA actually say and the OIP Opinion Letters which interpret the laws:
1) He already claims to have published his COLB so there is no longer any privacy exemption to disclosure that applies.
2) There is a “scintilla” of public interest which outweighs any privacy exemptions if they existed.
3) The HDOH Director already made a public statement regarding what is on those records, and any records created and maintained for the purpose of informing the public are automatically public records. When Fukino stated that she had seen the vital records verifying that Obama was born in Hawaii that automatically made all those records public - regardless of any privacy interests - because the public has to have a way of holding their public officials accountable to the truth.
4) the HDOH Administrative Rules - which Fukino illegally hid until a year after the election - say that anybody who asks for it can receive a NON-CERTIFIED copy of any abbreviated BC (COLB) in their office. Unfortunately, Hawaii is not following their rules or laws these days. Apparently not even the judges. (sigh)
Everything these people are saying about how the records CAN’T be disclosed because the law forbids it is UTTER BS. The laws actually REQUIRE disclosure of the records.
Unfortunately, you are still correct that contacting their office won’t make any difference, because they are not following laws and rules at this point. Actually haven’t been for the last 3 years.
And that is why this issue needs to be resolved. This isn’t about Obama; it’s about the rule of law and whether our government can lie to us on the most basic, menial things right up to the largest, most wide-sweeping things. If they can lie and break laws on everything, then this nation is sunk.
“The first is that the original so-called “long form” birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a “record of live birth” — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state’s then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.
Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document’s validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.”
As per #34, HI law forbids giving out this document.
So she has seen it but nobody else can see it. Nice way to keep the conspiracy alive, Dr C!
If the Gov REALLY wants to fix things, change the law and allow it to be released.
They have tried the entire guilty racist meme, but it isn’t holding water. The bastard will be found either illegal or a product of chaos because this issue could have been determined before grandma’s timely disappearance. When the messenger is attacked it supports a defense mechanism. Hey National Broadcasting Company, show the damn certificate. America is LARGER than you.
That might depend on what kind of vital records they were. She wants us to think it was Alvin Onaka, but as with everything there is probably a reason why she is not coming right out and saying that.
A colleague is trying to get answers on that question, and the last I knew was getting nothing but obfuscation.
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