My personal opinion is that if you are for limited government, you are for a government that doesn’t get ask what is going on in your bedroom, doesn’t rummage through (or insist that you organize and submit) your banking papers, or in any way influences what occurs in your house of worship, among other limitations.
“My personal opinion is...”
Sure fair enough but what I disagree with is a particular homosexual faction. There should not be this distinction. There should be only one identifier- Conservative. Not black conservative, white conservative, lesbian conservative blah blah blah. Just conservative. End of story.
bedroom? If it was their bedroom it wouldn't be a problem. Its schools, its the streets (do you want a link to that ZombieTimes picture post?) its the demand that GOVERNMENT accept and approve of their "lifestyle".
Thats not their "private life".
See, they already presume to speak for the entire 'conservative movement'. No thanks.
Limits on the bedroom thing go both ways. They want recognition of what they do in the bedroom.
Conservatives don’t go around asking heterosexuals what kind of sex they are involved in.
2 men share an apartment, I don’t care. 2 men say “Hey we’re gay, give us special rights because of the kind of sex we engage in.”, I say NO.
If you feel you must telle what kind of sex you are engaging in, I have the right to NOT give you special privileges because of it.
Honestly, nobody cares...until they are doing it in the street and calling it a parade, getting court rulings for special rights and teaching it to school kids.
John O said:
To the mentally healthy (heterosexual) sex is something you do;
To the mentally diseased ("homosexual") sex is everything you are.
If GOPride had not come at the conservative movement as a bloc saying, basically, “We’re queer and we’re here”, I’d agree with you. But they made their presence about being queer. If Lola from Mineola wants to join because she’s a conservative who wants to advance conservatism and has quietly kept the fact that she’s a practicing dyke to herself, family and circle of personal associations, great. I COULD NOT CARE LESS who she sleeps with. But when she comes at conservatism with the primary concern and announcement that she’s a dyke, I strongly suspect what her agenda really is and I question her true motive.
I’ll pass. When any element has a significant interest in presenting and pushing an agenda that is beside the point of the main subject (conservatism, in this case), my instincts tell me to just say no. These people are queer first and conservative second, if their claim of being conservative is not just another leftist scam/charade/trojan horse.
So, incest, beastiality, polygamy, man boy sex, father-daughter sex, father-son sex, prostitituion, sex slavery is all none of the government's business, huh?
And anyone should be able to marry anybody for any reason and the government should automatically treat all marriages as "equal" and not discriminate against any of them in things like adoption?
Does that cover it?
“My personal opinion is that if you are for limited government, you are for a government that doesn’t get ask what is going on in your bedroom, “
If you think homosexuality is limited to what goes on in the bedroom, you are sadly mistaken. Try living in a gay dominated political area for a while.
-They disrupt church services, both by infiltrating and by protesting outside.
-They have public sex, including sadomasochistic sex, in public, at their special events. Nudity and near nudity is routine in the Castro. Photos of these events are published in the local newspaper, and children are taken to these events.
-They promote homosexuality in the public school system, and children or parents who oppose it are labelled “haters.” If you opt your kid out of “sex” ed, they put him in there anyway. They ignore you. Homosexual men stand in front of prepubescent kids and describe in detail what they enjoy doing to each other.
-They refuse freedom of speech and religion to employees, government civil servants, and those on picket lines. We have bubble zones. We have to hide it if we don’t believe homosexuality is something to be celebrated. Or we will be fired.
-We are forced to honor their unions as a marriage similar to that of our grandma and grandpa, with equal value and worth. We must pay the same medical benefits to a homo’s boyfriend as we do to a man’s wife.
-We must subsidize their diseases which they routinely seek, with our tax dollars.
-We can’t operate an adoption agency unless we agree to place kids with homosexuals. Even if we are a religious adoption agency, such as the Catholics who’ve run orphanages and adoptions for decades.
-Charities that don’t embrace homosexuality, such as the Salvation Army, can’t operate here.
-Churches are sued. Christian business are sued. You don’t want to photograph a gay “wedding?” You don’t want to bake a cake for a gay porn shoot? You don’t want to hire a gay musician for your worship service? Prepare to be sued. And lose.
-Legitimate propositions, legally voted on by the people, that threaten homosexual activism, are stymied by the courts and not enforced.
-Churches and conservative organizations get discriminated against via building zones and etc.
-Bus ads and eye level billboards show homosexual porn. You are going to look at it, and so are your kids, “like it or not!”
-Other perversions, long closeted, become more and more accepted. Polygamy, polyamory, bestiality, pederasty, etc., begin to be promoted and tolerated. With the accompanying damaged to children, and of course, animals.
-The Boy Scouts get refused berths in public piers, camp sites, etc., because they won’t cave to having homosexual men lead teen boys on overnight camping trips. Their public service is accepted but no space or help is given back. The Girl Scouts already caved.
-Firefighters are forced to ride on floats in homosexual parades, on full display as objects of lust for the homosexual community. Amazingly, after a long lawsuit, the firefighters won the right not to be forced to do that anymore. But they had to do it first. Nice.
The communist manifest details the promotion of homosexuality and the destruction of the nuclear family as primary goals to prepare a people for slavery. And here you embrace it as “something that just goes on in the bedroom?” Nonsense. If so, most of us would never know it existed.
You do not want homosexuals in political power.
conservatism is socially and fiscal, if one is liberal on marriage, abortion and other social issues then they’re not conservative and should not be at the convention.
Libertarians are liberal on marriage.
liberals are liberal on marriage.
conservatives are conservative and traditional on marriage.
not really hard is it for anyone to understand is it?
hang on what are you on about?
it’s not in their bedroom, that’s a liberal homosexual cop out, it is about marriage, adoption, sex in public, teaching fisting in te schools,. forcing marines to have showers who other men who might be turned on to them etc.
nothing to do with their bedroom and it has everything to do to force their sick perverted agenda on to us,
read this if you get a chance
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
If the GOP ever did that, I would never want anything to do with it.
Here's a hint for you - if gays are trying to shove their agenda off onto our schoolkids (which they are), then the issue isn't about what "goes on in their bedrooms."
THAT is simply a libertarian red herring which has absolutely nothing to do with this debate WHATSOEVER.
To accept them as homosexuals into the conservative movement is to destroy the meaning of conservatism.