Posted on 02/08/2011 9:47:44 PM PST by pissant
Sarah Palin did not say she supports gay marriage. She hasn't celebrated the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. But she also did not say that a gay Republican group should be banned from participating in a big Republican conference, and for that, social conservatives are begging her to "clarify."
Controversy has been brewing for months over GOProud, a gay conservative group, and its participation in CPAC, one of the biggest Republican events of the year--a must-do for most aspiring presidential hopefuls. Many social conservative groups are boycotting the conference because GOProud was allowed to participate. But Palin said she thought GOProud belonged at the table, telling the Christian Broadcasting Network, "Should conservatives not reach out to others, not participate in events or forums that perhaps arising within those forums are issues that maybe we don’t personally agree with? And I say no." Palin then likened letting a gay group in the conference to sitting on a panel with "a bunch of the liberal folks."
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Anyone not pushing them, other than Paul and DeMint?
Funny. Only Sarah’s PAC is an official sponsor there ace.
I’d be a bit more inclined to buy the Sarah the Federalist line if she wasn’t simultaneously supporting cramming even more Title IX feminist claptrap down the states’ throats and advocating for more of our federal tax $$ to support special needs kids, and forcing us to bail out bad banks to the tune of $800 billion.
Think about that. A federalist when it comes to the life of the unborn, and a ‘make Pelosi proud’ nanny-state social engineer when it comes to women’s sports in schools.
Didn’t gays vote in larger numbers for Republicans than any other year? I don’t agree with you assessment. Some gays will vote for Sarah because they are fiscal conservatives.
A “ conservative” homosexual ” is a liberal who wants a tax cut and makes too much to get an Obama-tax credit.
REAL Conservatives don't shop for liberal Federal judges to re-write well established traditional marriage laws.
Thanks for the ping pa. It gives me a chance to agree with Palin and disagree with you on something today. As you know,and we have hotly debated, I believe in Palin’s Federalist (States rights) view of the constitution, I believe in a very limited interpretation of the commerce clause and the 14th amendment regarding Federal powers.
My view is that ideally both murder and abortions laws should still be states responsibility and authority (yes that is consistent with the pre-born being human.) Roe is made up liberal law that needs to be overturned,
A 'big Republican conference' that Palin declined an invitation to. I would say that was clarification.
How does that square with Title IX mandates?
Declined because of scheduling conflicts. She’s a sponsor of CPAC
"Justices Thomas and Scalia might have voted to strike down the (Federal Partial Birth abortion ) law had a Commerce Clause objection been raised. It's possible that this law will be revisited and a different result obtained. “Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justice Scalia, wrote an interesting concurrence in yesterday's partial birth abortion case, indicating that he might be sympathetic to a Commerce Clause challenge to the federal partial birth abortion ban that was just upheld by the Court.” But no one — perhaps fortunately — raised the Commerce Clause, so Thomas and Scalia voted with the rest of them to uphold the ban." ref at Catholic Answers Forums,
And please don't try the "Scalia and Thomas don't believe the unborn are humans" argument, it wont fly!
I am not going to hang the bailout on palin. She was on the ticket, running against the forces of darkness, and had to tow the line or step off the ticket. The bailout will one day prove to have been a boondoggle when these major banks are broken up and assets taken into receivership.
I can’t speak to the Title IX feminism rant, or what specifically she was proposing regarding special needs kids. I don’t recall a specific proposal on that in the campaign, only that there was a need to do more and that she stood with the parents of special needs children. Who knows what form a proposal targeting that would be?
Save that debate for later. I’ve got a ton of ammo, but not the time to go into it.
Monkey see, monkey do. That is the first 7 years of children’s lives before reason.
That is why abused children are seen trying to copulate in schools if they are physically abused at age 4 and 5. With Freudian education (and Freud was proven wrong in several areas, particularly his obsession with sex), we are sexualizing children and removing taboos today with the underlying secular humanism that was put into the educational system.
I think it was Bloom who said “Erotic Paradise is an illusion when you untie the bows of restraint: Shattered Egos, Shattered Bodies, Shattered minds.”
Promiscuous sex demeans the body and, in the end, human beings. It is not an accident that the top 10 serial killers—most homosexuals like Dahmers and Gacy—were sexually perverse. The sexual instinct is so strong that when it is perverted and redirected in unnatural ways, it creates havoc and obsessions and addictions.
True, environment can ruin the hormones, etc., and damage the body, but if everything is healthy and normal, it takes Skinner/Pavlovian conditioning in children to divert their natural inclinations which is easily done with the powerful sex instinct.
Behavior and attitudes are learned. That is why odd behavior occurs in other cultures...like the spitting and expelling waste from noses in China. Manners are all learned. How you treat the opposite sex is learned....that is why we were designed to have both a mother and a father. It unites all people.
It works the best for society to have a division of labor. Marx doesn’t want this and that is why the pushing of all perverse and destructive behaviors that kill all relationships. It is to destroy the nuclear family, so that children are emotionally damaged and easily herded and conditioned. Families form a shelter which gives independence from government. Sexual dysfunction makes you reliant on government—particularly to condition and brainwash the minds of the young into the Brave New World philosophy.
That is what the schools are doing. Conditioning our young to think sexual perversion is good and normal. It is the easiest way to destroy the family and children and create a dependent narcissistic group of sheeple.
I think your bailout-Palin reply comment above was meant for pa, you put my name first. I wasnt planning on getting into that subject today. I have in the past (not recently), but some of these 2008 position arguments have been repeated to death on both sides.
I will just add that I noticed that Republicans thought TARP was great when a Republican president would spend the money, but all turned against it (after passing it) when Obama got it.
Yes, There is much fresher fruit to pick on Palin(instigated by you probably). Have you visited here ?:
Refudiating “Does Sarah Palin Support Gay Rights?” posted by 2ndDivisionVet
Writing govt insurance for the underlying assets would have liquified the market and even made money in the end. The CDS gamblers needed to be flushed down the crapper anyway. Cash money to payoff unregulated/uncollateralized trades is what happened and that is horsesh*t. I seriously considered taking every loan my in laws have taken and failed to pay back to the Fed discount window to see if I could get some cash. It’s the same thing after all.
Way off topic tho’...
Didn't she have a scheduling conflict last year as well?
Sarah is avoiding CPAC.
Ron Paul will be there.
Along with Norquist and Khan.
1.) Monkey see, monkey do. That is the first 7 years of children’s lives before reason.
Cognitive development theory only goes so far when dealing with abnormal sexuality IMO. I believe Erikson's theory of psychosocial development probably goes further.
It is not an accident that the top 10 serial killers—most homosexuals like Dahmers and Gacy—were sexually perverse. The sexual instinct is so strong that when it is perverted and redirected in unnatural ways, it creates havoc and obsessions and addictions.
Most serial killers appear to be sexually perverse as well yet most sexually perverse do not appear to be serial killers. I think perhaps this argument is a logical fallacy then. To be honest, I think serial killers are way more complicated than homosexuals which are, themselves, fairly complicated.
if everything is healthy and normal, it takes Skinner/Pavlovian conditioning in children to divert their natural inclinations which is easily done with the powerful sex instinct.
monkey see, monkey do IOW? Children are naturally sexually ambivalent IMO. So too are many adults. This is why I think Erikson's theories of psychosocial development go further to describe abnormal sexual development. That being said, I don't think those theories fully explain it, they just contribute to our understanding of abnormal development. As I said, it probably requires an eclectic approach.
Behavior and attitudes are learned.
through observations? Monkey see, monkey do?
That is what the schools are doing. Conditioning our young to think sexual perversion is good and normal
by removing the consequences for violating the taboo prohibitions. Like I/Freud said.
It is the easiest way to destroy the family and children and create a dependent narcissistic group of sheeple.
The best way to defeat America is to make America indefensible. Consider that. One must accept the things one can not change, change the things that can be changed, and have the wisdom to know the difference.
I am basically going from Bloom’s observation and philosophy, in reading
“The Closing of the American Mind” and Roger Kimball’s great insight into the culture. Of course, I am simplifying concepts....I do not have the time to write a novel.
I am well-aware of Erikson/Piaget/Freud/Spock and all the other males that never experienced the birth of a baby, nor the mother/child/attachment/bonding experience. Although I am not saying they did not have some outstanding insight... all of them had flaws in their “theory”.
I gave birth to 5 children, raised them at home, studied Child Development until I changed my major in 2000 because of the stupidity of some of the ideas being presented. BTW, I worked in schools as a volunteer for 25 years, mainly with 3-5 year olds and from K-5th. I have seen these children form into adults. I witnessed their homelife, or lack of one, or lack of father influence. The most profound influence on children is the parents and their attitudes and they transmit the whole of culture to their offspring. It is complete, if they get both the male and female perspective and interaction in the home which is how the laws of nature designed humans. The human brain needs many years to mature and ideally needs to be protected from trauma. It is best done by a nurturing mother who is constantly with the child in the early years so no “attachment and bonding” issues occur which create all types of dysfunctional behaviors.
Monkeys deprived of maternal care show all kinds of perversion, including the inability to procreate and attraction to abnormal sexual acts, such as homosexuality and violent, anti-social acts against other monkeys. Why is that? You don’t address dysfunction which is almost 100% caused by emotional neglect or trauma in childhood.
Theories have led this country to adopt insane ideas—such as “homosexual acts are good and natural”. That, of course, has only happened since they extreme propaganda and conditioning in the media and schools which ramped up the cultural Marxism in the last 25 years. It is disgusting how all logic and reason has been thrown out in the defense of Postmodern German philosophy. And Nietzsche had it right when he said they are killing off God (and the Bible) and creating an abyss. Nihilism is the result—Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc....all godless and Hilter was one of the biggest sexual perverts of all.
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