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To: savagesusie
You haven't really refuted anything I have said. If anything, you have corroborated what I had to say about this. You made a few points that I would like to comment on.

1.) Monkey see, monkey do. That is the first 7 years of children’s lives before reason.

Cognitive development theory only goes so far when dealing with abnormal sexuality IMO. I believe Erikson's theory of psychosocial development probably goes further.

It is not an accident that the top 10 serial killers—most homosexuals like Dahmers and Gacy—were sexually perverse. The sexual instinct is so strong that when it is perverted and redirected in unnatural ways, it creates havoc and obsessions and addictions.

Most serial killers appear to be sexually perverse as well yet most sexually perverse do not appear to be serial killers. I think perhaps this argument is a logical fallacy then. To be honest, I think serial killers are way more complicated than homosexuals which are, themselves, fairly complicated.

if everything is healthy and normal, it takes Skinner/Pavlovian conditioning in children to divert their natural inclinations which is easily done with the powerful sex instinct.

monkey see, monkey do IOW? Children are naturally sexually ambivalent IMO. So too are many adults. This is why I think Erikson's theories of psychosocial development go further to describe abnormal sexual development. That being said, I don't think those theories fully explain it, they just contribute to our understanding of abnormal development. As I said, it probably requires an eclectic approach.

Behavior and attitudes are learned.

through observations? Monkey see, monkey do?

That is what the schools are doing. Conditioning our young to think sexual perversion is good and normal

by removing the consequences for violating the taboo prohibitions. Like I/Freud said.

It is the easiest way to destroy the family and children and create a dependent narcissistic group of sheeple.

The best way to defeat America is to make America indefensible. Consider that. One must accept the things one can not change, change the things that can be changed, and have the wisdom to know the difference.

79 posted on 02/09/2011 12:12:43 PM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

I am basically going from Bloom’s observation and philosophy, in reading
“The Closing of the American Mind” and Roger Kimball’s great insight into the culture. Of course, I am simplifying concepts....I do not have the time to write a novel.

I am well-aware of Erikson/Piaget/Freud/Spock and all the other males that never experienced the birth of a baby, nor the mother/child/attachment/bonding experience. Although I am not saying they did not have some outstanding insight... all of them had flaws in their “theory”.

I gave birth to 5 children, raised them at home, studied Child Development until I changed my major in 2000 because of the stupidity of some of the ideas being presented. BTW, I worked in schools as a volunteer for 25 years, mainly with 3-5 year olds and from K-5th. I have seen these children form into adults. I witnessed their homelife, or lack of one, or lack of father influence. The most profound influence on children is the parents and their attitudes and they transmit the whole of culture to their offspring. It is complete, if they get both the male and female perspective and interaction in the home which is how the laws of nature designed humans. The human brain needs many years to mature and ideally needs to be protected from trauma. It is best done by a nurturing mother who is constantly with the child in the early years so no “attachment and bonding” issues occur which create all types of dysfunctional behaviors.

Monkeys deprived of maternal care show all kinds of perversion, including the inability to procreate and attraction to abnormal sexual acts, such as homosexuality and violent, anti-social acts against other monkeys. Why is that? You don’t address dysfunction which is almost 100% caused by emotional neglect or trauma in childhood.

Theories have led this country to adopt insane ideas—such as “homosexual acts are good and natural”. That, of course, has only happened since they extreme propaganda and conditioning in the media and schools which ramped up the cultural Marxism in the last 25 years. It is disgusting how all logic and reason has been thrown out in the defense of Postmodern German philosophy. And Nietzsche had it right when he said they are killing off God (and the Bible) and creating an abyss. Nihilism is the result—Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc....all godless and Hilter was one of the biggest sexual perverts of all.

http://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Society-Hardcover-Thomas-Sowell/dp/B0032XC9T2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1297284921&sr=1-5


80 posted on 02/09/2011 1:20:38 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: RC one

I hope you read Sowell’s book.

It pretty much sums up what is wrong with our country right now. We promote ideas that are false.

“those who are routinely swayed by defective ideas need to read this book”....

Political Correctness that exists in our schools and society today is directly from Marcuse and the cultural Marxists who used Freudian Ideology in a twisted manner....to release all sexual restraint, which even Freud said could not be done if you are to retain a civil society where healthy family life could exist.

PC makes intellectual debate of ideas impossible. Our universities and schools drip with this cultural Marxism and now our military. It is to silence free speech—because Truth has a way of disproving Marxism and giving the true vision of the ugly culture it always spawns and always will. It is easy to prove that human nature has never changed in thousands of years through history also, but that is one thing Marxism doesn’t allow—knowledge of history.....If they allow history, it is always Zinn’s rendition, so as to tear down a civil society which is what Marxism is all about so they can rebuild and reshape the human being into their godless utopia.

My advise is don’t limit your reading to Erikson. Read those who dispute his theories. But your basis should be classical philosophy so that you can actually use logic and reason in your analysis.


81 posted on 02/09/2011 1:37:36 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: RC one

Homosexuality is a demeaning, nihilistic act that is never life-affirming. It is a selfish, lustful act. It is never about anything other than pleasure for oneself. That is why homosexuals are much more likely to be pedophiles and harm many more children than heterosexuals. It is why they practice beastiality at much higher rates.

It is the slippery slope. When you demean your body, you actually hate yourself. You hate God because he says you are doing evil. You know it is disordered in your soul. All nature proves it daily. When the soul is filled with hate, it is easy to transfer the hate to other humans and all of humanity. That is why they are much more violent than the heterosexual male. Most homosexual crimes are done by the jealous homosexual and they are so promiscuous because it is all about lust and never love and sacrifice.

Most of the SA Brownshirts were homosexuals. Hitler, although as a young man he lived in the homosexual areas of Munich or Berlin, was what the Hidden Hitler refers to as a probable coprophiliac although he can’t say he wasn’t homosexual. All his closest friends and chauffeurs were homosexual and he placed known pederasts as head of the Hitler Youth. They brought boys from the high schools to be used by the SA officers.

Homosexuals prefer the young boy....it is when they were initiated into the lifestyle and it is the idolatry of the male body which is so “perfect” right before puberty. It is a learned behavior. The Spartans initiated boys into sex at around seven. The Afghanis do the same thing only they train them to dress like females and wear make-up and be pimps.

You never answered why a culture like the homosexual Afghanistan one, has boys who want to grow up to have their own stable of boys to use as sexual playthings. They are thrilled about their future. Is that hereditary? or is it learned? Homosexual cultures always hate and exclude women—although the Greeks left their noses on, they were considered second class citizens and slaves and only good for breeding.

Weimar Republic in 1919 had the most vulgar and promiscuous society in Europe. Their National Vice (homosexuality) was a joke with all the other European countries that had diplomatic relations with them. They had all sorts of jokes about watching your back. Germany had given up God and released Eros in the late 1800’s because they were the seat of the Frankfurt ideology cesspool coming out of all the elite Postmodern thinkers at the time.


82 posted on 02/09/2011 2:03:48 PM PST by savagesusie
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