Posted on 01/20/2011 6:58:33 AM PST by FreeAtlanta
Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there. Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961....frpa ... 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
I agree.
You know, LucyT and Starwise, along with a couple others are good folks to ask to be on their ping lists. Most of the time, folks won’t ping you unless you ask them to. It is sort of an unwritten FR rule I guess.
FOIA needed.
Now
Lucy won’t ping to anything I write, since late September. I didn’t realize Starwise has a ping list; that should help. I know Nachum has a list. I am just so bad with names, it’s ridiculous.
“I thought at one point she claimed she had seen it”
I have poked around and can not find where Lingle made that claim herself. I checked the older blogs that followed every word, and this transcript is all that I can find. I do know that obama followers made the claim that she had - based on this exact interview.
I still cannot find a credible quote or account where Lingle stated she put her own eyes on it.
If anyone out there has that...me wants ! Thankee.
Interesting clues.
SCOTUS needs to deal with whether a person can still Constitutionally be a “natural born citizen” if that person is NO LONGER a US citizen. Can a person be a non-citizen and a “natural born citizen” at the same time?
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Here is my cut at this question.
I will digress back to the actual words in Article II - “natural born Citizen”. Note - no hyphen and the C is capitalized. Citizen as a capitalized term is a defined term. It meant a Citizen of the of the states. So you do have be a Citizen to be president. AND you had to be a ‘natural born’ Citizen. So to be eligible from an Article II you have to be a (current) Citizen.
This is why the fuss over the ‘definition’ of ‘natural born Citizen’ is really bogus. Citizen IS defined - hence why it is Capitalized. Any legal person will tell you capitalized terms are explicitly defined entities and that is the case in the Constitution.
Now ‘natural born’. First note - no hyphen. It is not a special term or special word or unique phrase. The are not capitalized so the framers did not provide specific or unique definitions of these words. So lets look at each of these common adjectives to determine what they intended.
Lets use this website for answers:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
‘natural’
I think there is a definition that fits the Constitutional context:
“Not acquired; inherent:”
‘born’
Again - there is a definition that fits:
“possessing or appearing to have possessed certain qualities from birth” (note - “from birth”)
So we can replace ‘natural born Citizen’ with
‘inherent Citizen from birth’
and we have the same meaning.
So the Article II of the Constitution requires you to be:
A. A Citizen. A CURRENT Citizen.
B. A Citizen whose status was inherent and not acquired (i.e. naturalized - sorry Arnold)
C. A Citizen ‘FROM BIRTH’. Note - not AT birth as many indicated - FROM BIRTH.
Thus if Obama ever gave up his US Citizenship in total after the age of 18 then he is no longer a) a Citizen at that point in time and b) no longer a ‘natural born Citizen’ since you must retain your status ‘from birth’ just as a common dictionary says.
In summary:
The Framers did not ‘define’ ‘natural born Citizen’ (no hyphen, Capital C) because they did NOT need to. If you read those three words AS THEY SHOULD BE READ the meaning is clear. It is above.
This is the most monumental story in American history. The Usurpation of the Presidency.
When is the State Run Media going to realize they can no longer ignore this story?
I want to know what promted the HDOH to release their proclamations of Hussein’s credentials. There’s a communication trail there to the White Hut. There has to be.......
Also with ‘FactCheck’. It’s almost as if they were created in order to outright LIE for this POS illegal alien infesting the Presidency.
As soon as one SRM source covers this in any detail....the blood will be in the water. Hussein is finished.
He will be pushed to step down due to health reasons rather than cause national chaos.
BTTT
“Heh, If just ONE state puts a law into effect requiring PROOF of Natural Born Citizenship in order to get on the states POTUS”
Yes, but we also NEED to have the courts define “natural born citizen”. Well before the next election, otherwise
whether or not a candidate meets NBC requirements will depend on the state to interpret.
We have a country full of dolts that think an anchor baby and a natural born citizen and a dual citizen are all the exact same thing.
I keep thinking there must be more reference in many old books/writings. There has to be more out there that was written about it at the time.
There is a LOT of information to sift through here, and there is a page two, I just gace the link to page one. http://www.theobamafile.com/SearchResults.htm?cx=partner-pub-5800558700131855%3Axe3q1mlexqs&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Linda+Lingle
If this does not work, use the search box at the top of the Home page to search with. Obama File is one of the most complete resources out there, and includes a lot of web pages which have since been scrubbed from the internet.
Hope this helps!
That could be exactly right. Something that never happened was reported as fact.
If the left has made the claim she said she had seen the docs., then to the left it is just as good as true.
I’d still be willing to bet the left claims she had confirmed the BC was there and she had destroyed it or had it destroyed.
Didn’t Ms. Lingle say that the document is there but she never saw it?
See post 125, its a nut-buster!
Nice work bluecat6!
Oh boy.... where to start... “I keep thinking there must be more reference in many old books/writings. There has to be more out there that was written about it at the time.”
There are more literary refrences at the time than I can possibly list. It starts with Vattel’s “The Law of Nations”, is in the letters of Bem Franklin, the Federalist Papers, in various debates and letters for the founders to other members of the Contential Congress, letters between committee members... there is SO MUCH history to go through. Much of that research can be found on this site as well.
Definitely. And to get the judiciary to rule on it we have to force the issue somehow. That’s where the states come in.
Go back to post 71...Abercrombie may need to establish that he was not aware that Obama didn’t have his bona fides because Abercrombie unwittingly may have committed a felony by falsely promoting that Obama was born at Kapi’olani Hospital. recall there as an almost immediate public outcry when this document surfaced on the internet. Then the fundraising letter was withdrawn.
ROTFLMFAO!!!!
Thats PRICELESS!
Religion isn’t listed on a BC.
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