Posted on 01/19/2011 7:59:37 AM PST by RED SOUTH
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.
Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=252833
“We need to encourage legislatures in states with a Republican Majority to enact laws requiring Proof of all candidates Birth before 2012 !!!”
And we only need a few to take 0dumbo out of getting enough electorals.
here is an AP report from 2008
“By Associated Press
6:43 PM EDT, October 31, 2008
HONOLULU (AP) _ State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.”
Someone is LYING.
I hope people like WND keep on this
“There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call The Kenyan Zone.”
That is the funniest post I’ve read in a long time. True, too.
Just suppose that Obama cannot prove his eligibility and was ineligible to be POTUS when elected. Could that mean every bill and executive order he signed as POTUS is then null and void? A mess but perhaps in a good way.
Yes, it's bad. But it sounds like some of the 50 year old vital Hawaiian records might be in that form. That would explain why the state officials said that they had viewed the official records but did not specifically say the words "birth certificate".
Obama said he had a folded BC in his personal papers.
1. Obviously Hawaii issued birth certificates. The question is whether they kept physical copies of all the long forms from 50 years ago, or for some reason some of them were destroyed.
2. Obama said that he had come across a folded BC. This could just be the one issued at the time of his birth.
3. Why doesn't he just release that one? He may have lost it or the whole description in his book could have been "literary license" as some other things clearly were.
Yeh, tell Ambercrummy to call Barry and get a copy of the one Barry found in his grandma’s house. Oh I forgot a Kenyan BC won’t do.
He needs to look in his copy of The Communist Manifesto, which is probably by his bedside, where a Christian would keep the Bible.
“Obama’s birth is recorded only in some sort of ledger rather than as a separate stored birth certificate.”
I don’t know about Hawaii’s practices, but in my home state of Oklahoma. When a child is adopted, the original BC is sealed in a special place and a new BC is made. However, the COLB we have seen says Bama senior is daddy, so that can’t be the situation.
Whatever, if President Obama was born in Hawaii, it wasn’t in a hospital. His grandparents filed for Hawaiian birth as is allowed under their law. He could have or have not been actual born in Hawaii. The lack of an original BC is very suspicious....especially when many other examples from the same time period have been made public. However, it still doesn’t prove Kenyan birth, but it creates doubt, which is enough.
That dippy governor just stirred up a hornet’s nest in his attempt to help his bruddah.
“You are overly generous. In some sort of ledger??? Record keeping like that went out with the cavemen.”
Geneologists sometimes have to rely on entries in an old family Bible. Do you suppose they have the original Obama Koran with entries in it to rely upon?
In the book “Dreams From My Father” Obama claims he used his Birth Certificate as a bookmark - but now they can’t find it????
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Are you kidding me? What type of idiot uses his birth certificate as a bookmark?
“The question is whether they kept physical copies of all the long forms from 50 years ago, or for some reason some of them were destroyed.”
Excellent question and here is what fukino said in 08
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai’i.”
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She didn’t say it was something written in a ledger. She is quite clear.
So where did it go. and how stupid does 0dumbo think people are?
This article doesn’t gain credibility no matter how often it’s posted.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2659549/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2659522/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2659403/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2659289/posts
Maybe not.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
Fukino said that they have the original birth certificate "on record". She didn't say that they have the birth certificate. Maybe this particular choice of words was intentional. Maybe they just have a record that they once issued a birth certificate.
She could have told him he would not find it in Hawaii.
“Fukino said that they have the original birth certificate “on record”. “
maybe but
but that does mean they have all the information on an original BC including hospital and doc.
I actually think the name got changed to soetoro and ol 0dumbo thought that would give him problems. NOT from a natual born angle as I don’t think at the time he was savvy enough about America and the Constitution for that but I think he felt the last name of an Indonesian could hurt his chances. JMO
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NEVER FORGET
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During the 1960’s I personally witnessed several new Mommies coming in to ship their cars back to Hawaii (via Matson Lines http://www.Matson.com ) shortly after their giving birth elsewhere, inside or outside the Mainland United States.
These new Mommies were told by other Mommies present to just go to the Honolulu Officals and proclaim that thier newborns were born in Hawaii and a Birth Certificate showing so would be automatically produced.
It was THAT commonplace ..and well known about by many.. back then..!!!
This was during a 9-10 year window after Hawaiian Statehood when they could get away with it.
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NEVER FORGET
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Lingle’s recollection is faulty. The statement released by the director of the DOH came only four or five days before the election (which is not exactly ‘during the campaign’), and that statement did not say where Obama was born. It only said a birth certificate was on record.
It’s already possible to claim a local birth if the child was born ‘en route’ such as in a ship or on an airplane. The place of arrival can be legally claimed as the place of birth.
Second, the HI DOH web page about Obama’s birth records says, “Records pertaining to the Department of Health database for vital statistics information are not required to be disclosed by the Uniform Information Practices Act because those records, by their very nature, must be confidential in order for the government to avoid the frustration of a legitimate government function (see HRS §92F-13(3)). Disclosing such information compromises the department’s ability to protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system as is required by HRS §338-18.”
IOW, if they revealed that Obama’s birth (and the births of others out of state) was supported only by a personal claim by the mother (or grandmother), it would expose the DOH itself for being fraudulent or incompetent. The DOH is likely using this part of the UIPA to hide that it has widespread systemic problems in how it has traditionally registered births.
All I know is that Lingle does not have any first-hand knowledge of what the long-form says, because she has not seen it herself.
I don’t disagree. It’s just obvious in a couple of ways she’s lying. The October 31, 2008 statement only said a birth certificate was on record. The second statement about Obama being born in Hawaii (but without specifying Kapiolani Hospital as Lingle claimed) did not come out until July 2009 ... several months AFTER the campaign was over.
Good points.
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