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Phoenix / Valley Metro Light Rail Report Card: F
Coyoteblog.com ^ | December 15 2010

Posted on 12/20/2010 4:20:41 PM PST by JerseyHighlander

Phoenix / Valley Metro Light Rail Report Card: F

December 15, 2010, 10:45 am

Folks who read this site know I have been critical of Phoenix light rail since well before it was opened.  So often, folks just willfully misinterpret my criticisms.   The actual rail line and its service is pretty nice, and the facilities are quite attractive (lets see what they look like in 10 years though).  If Santa Claus had just delivered the Phoenix light rail system for free to Phoenix, I would be thrilled with it.   But Santa unfortunately was not involved, and instead the rail line was paid for by area residents, and it cost them over $75,000 per daily roundtrip rider to build, plus annual operating deficits infinitely into the future.   I would be thrilled if an Aston Martin Vanquish showed up in my garage tomorrow, but I am not going to fork over a quarter of a million bucks for one.  Ditto the light rail system.

Anyway, the 2009 FTA transit database is out, and Randal O’Toole has helpfully summarized it in spreadsheet form, which you can download here.  You can peruse your own local system.  Probably the hardest thing to figure out are the mode codes, which are deciphered here.  Since 2009 was the first full year of operation for Phoenix light rail, we can finally look at data for Phoenix on an apples to oranges apples basis with other transit systems  (it is really, really hard to squeeze useful information out of the data Valley Metro posts on their site).

I am just going to highlight two numbers for Phoenix light rail (TRS_ID 9209 in the data).

Years before the light rail system was completed, I made my light rail bet:  That with the capital cost, I could easily buy a Prius for every daily rider, and still save money.  And for less than the annual operating subsidy, I could give all the new Prius owners free gas each year.  Already my bet has proved more than correct.  But now we know that under my Prius plan, we also would have saved energy, since the Prius uses less than 1700 BTU/pm, less than a third of what Phoenix light rail consumes.

Category: Rail and Mass Transit  |  Comment (RSS)


TOPICS: Government; US: Arizona; US: Florida; US: New Mexico; US: Oregon; US: Utah; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: commuterrail; lightrail; railroad; richardsonsrailroad
The Phoenix system was being put forth as a shining example of the future of light rail, along with New Mexico's RailRunner system.

Both are boondoggles about to be replicated in the I-4 corridor of FLorida between Tampa-Orlando-Cape Canaveral-Daytona.

The blog has an extensive archive on the failure of the Valley Metro Light Rail project at Valley Metro Light Rail-- Category: Rail and Mass Transit

1 posted on 12/20/2010 4:20:48 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

Sadly, if not for the price, I would like the whole system to be light rail. It’s faster and more efficient that the snail, antiquated buses. But, the price is the problem.


2 posted on 12/20/2010 4:25:26 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: JerseyHighlander

Nice analysis! I don’t think Phoenix is condensed enough to make good use of this type of system. Building one after the housing and business development is in place is not a great idea. During the construction some businesses along the route suffered greatly due to the traffic blockage.

At this point I would like to thank the rest of the Maricopa County Residents for footing the bill for the light rail system. I would not have voted for it and would still not vote for it, but I am grateful that it exists since I was able to use it quite extensively during the last 12 months.

My wife and I live in Glendale. My son, and his family, live in Gilbert. My grandson resided in our house in order to attend Glendale Junior College. The rail system saved me and my son many hours of driving since the ends of the line are fairly close to each of our houses.

The system is patterned after the light rail in Grenoble, France. I have also used that system quite a bit since the company that I work for sends me there quite frequently. The cars in Grenoble are holding up quite well and, for some reason, are not accumulating the graffiti that one sees on other forms of mass transit.


3 posted on 12/20/2010 4:40:14 PM PST by the_Watchman (Healthcare reform was never about health.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

The Phoenix light rail relies on the honor system! The platforms have no turnstiles, they are just open, LOL. Now the police, who are not allowed to ask about illegal aliens, are on the rail enforcing the honor system. We have lost our minds.

Metro light rail officials crack down on rail-fare scofflaws
http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2010/10/23/20101023metro-light-rail-targets-free-riders.html


4 posted on 12/20/2010 4:54:13 PM PST by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Islam ism, Darwinism)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Sadly, if not for the price, I would like the whole system to be light rail. It’s faster and more efficient that the snail, antiquated buses.

I can hardly agree with that. Disney World is a microcosm of the efficiency of rail vs bus transit. Disney's study of the expansion of the monorail system revealed the absolute inflexibility of rail transit. When you have changing volume in different areas, unless you have already laid tremendously expensive track, you cannot serve those areas, period.

Disney determined that bus transit was far more flexible and less expensive. They could easily transfer resources to handle the constant flux in demand. Maintenance was much cheaper and the cost per mile of service per rider was far less expensive.

Disney's final verdict: Bus, not rail.

5 posted on 12/20/2010 5:34:54 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: HungarianGypsy

I rode on it. Nice, but it is a costly boondoggle.

There should be a list of who built it, who got the bribes, etc.


6 posted on 12/20/2010 5:38:01 PM PST by Squidster
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To: JerseyHighlander
The Phoenix system was being put forth as a shining example of the future of light rail, along with New Mexico's RailRunner system.

The RailRunner isn't light rail. It's commuter, or heavy rail.

The Florida plan isn't light rail, either.

You'll add credibility to your argument if you elevate facts over easily rebutted spin. Apples to apples works better than comparing apples to ham sandwiches.

7 posted on 12/20/2010 8:22:58 PM PST by PAR35
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To: JerseyHighlander
Great information!!!

The public subsidy [PHX] per individual trip (that is one person boarding and riding one way) is $32.73!!

One heck of a lot better than the NM Rail Runner: $78.51

Here are some others higher than the RR:

Albuquerque, commuter rail, $78.51
Seattle, light rail, $130.64
Salt Lake City, commuter rail*, $230.97
Portland, commuter rail**, $256.70

*The SLC service was started in May 2008 but I can't believe the costs are that high - maybe these reflect the 2008 numbers.
**Portland's service is not the extensive light rail system but a very short westside rail link that the greenies sold a bill of goods on.

8 posted on 12/22/2010 2:28:15 PM PST by CedarDave (Tagline being updated...)
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To: LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; OneWingedShark; ...
PING to the NM list. This is great information.

Rogle, can we get this info to the legislature and the Martinez admin??

Anyone have time to do a more complete analysis for NM?? I just spent a half-hour and sorted the Xcel spreadsheet on subsidy cost, but there's lots of good data in there.

(The NM list is available on my FR homepage for anyone to use. Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from the list.)

9 posted on 12/22/2010 2:38:01 PM PST by CedarDave (Tagline being updated...)
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To: JerseyHighlander; Willie Green

Alas, if only Willie Green were here to tell us what a great deal this was.


10 posted on 12/29/2010 1:27:57 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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