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Army birther pleads guilty to 1 of 2 charges
AP ^ | December 14, 2010 | AP

Posted on 12/14/2010 9:25:59 AM PST by Smokeyblue

An Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has pleaded guilty to 1 of 2 charges against him.

At a court-martial proceeding Tuesday in Maryland, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin of Greeley, Colo., pleaded guilty to not meeting with a superior when ordered to do so and not showing up at Fort Campbell in Kentucky where he was supposed to report.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen
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To: pnh102

But why let them win like that? Why not make the government prove its case? At the very least, we’d be allowed to see what information the government haves that proves that it is in the right. I still think my original claim stands, this guy has no case, and he is just hoping for leniency in sentencing.

That won’t go anywhere either. No civilian court has ever accepted any sort of challenge to 0bama’s eligibility. It is highly unlikely they would for this situation either.


When a defendant pleads guilty, whether in a civilian court or a military court martial, they give up their right to appeal.


21 posted on 12/14/2010 10:03:36 AM PST by jamese777
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To: joe fonebone

We’ve only carried out one execution for desertion since the Civil War (Eddie Slovak during WWII). That said, I do think this fellow should spend at least the next 10 years in Leavenworth.


22 posted on 12/14/2010 10:07:29 AM PST by stormer
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To: pnh102

The retired military brass are afraid that if the issue of whether Obama can “act as President” is pushed when the military leadership this corrupt, there will be a bad precedent set.

And already, the military judge has said that the Constitutional status of the President is irrelevant to combat orders. That’s a scary precedent right there. If you take that precedent to its logical conclusion, Lakin’s brigade commanders could also have ordered him to deploy for combat operations in Iran, and it would be “irrelevant” whether a valid Commander-in-Chief had ever authorized combat in Iran.

See, the whole case that the military is making is that it doesn’t MATTER whether there is a valid President who authorized combat operations in Afghanistan, because brigade commanders can give all these smaller orders that, when combined, accomplish military combat without there having to be authorization from “the President” (who is given the sole authority to “use force” in the war on terrorism).

And that is a serious, serious claim that should have the military folks saying WTH???!!


23 posted on 12/14/2010 10:07:44 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: pnh102

He pleaded not guilty to a second charge of missing a flight he was required to be on. His court-martial at Fort Meade is continuing on that count.


24 posted on 12/14/2010 10:11:41 AM PST by deport
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To: jamese777

“When a defendant pleads guilty, whether in a civilian court or a military court martial, they give up their right to appeal.”
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Not only that, but he must sit down with the judge and convince her that he understands what it means to plead guilty — in this case, it means acknowledging that he knows the orders he disobeyed were legal orders.

If he’s not able to do that convincingly, the judge must reject the guilty plea and he will face trial on those counts.


25 posted on 12/14/2010 10:12:09 AM PST by BigGuy22
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To: butterdezillion
No. He is pleading guilty because there is no expectation of justice from the United States military.

He is pleading guilty because he is guilty as charged. Go find some other poor dupe on whom to peddle your silly birther wares.

26 posted on 12/14/2010 10:12:28 AM PST by centurion316
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To: kbennkc

Those who advised him on to this foolish course should share his punishment.

More appropriately, such punishment should be delivered upon the undocumented Commander in Chief --- who not only does not "have his back" but with his silence stabs Lt. Col. Lakin clean between the shoulder blades. That is pathetic military leadership unworthy of respect. Whatever punishment is allotted to Lakin ought be delivered to Mr. Obama tenfold. The CiC intentionally hangs one of our own out to dry and the democrats wonder why the military is primarily republican supportive. We don't leave men behind.


27 posted on 12/14/2010 10:12:40 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Smokeyblue

“Hawaiian officials say they have records proving Obama was born there and is therefore eligible to be president. But so-called birthers challenge that.”

- AP

If this were true, then why would Obama fake an online COLB? Why doesn’t he show the copy he received from the HI DoH?

Miss Tickly has proven the online COLB is a forgery.

Obama’s ineligibility problem can be demonstrated by examing his SSA application for a SSN. From there, you’ll find Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization at the USCIS in Washington, D.C.


28 posted on 12/14/2010 10:14:00 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Soebarkah renounced his US Citizenship in 1968.)
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To: stormer

Lakin is charged with violating Article 92, which covers 2 different kinds of orders.

Article 92(1) regards general orders and regulations. Lakin’s orders are not general orders, but specific, direct orders to him.

Article 92(2) regards orders that aren’t chargeable under Article 90, 91, or 92(1). If a person can be charged under Article 90, 91, or 92(1) they can’t be charged under 92(2)

Article 90 regards lawful orders from a superior commissioned officer. The orders Lakin is accused of disobeying are direct orders from a Lt Col and 2 Col’s - all superior commissioned officers.

Lakin can be charged under Article 90 so it is not lawful for him to be charged under Article 92(2)

How can he lawfully be charged under Article 92?

He can’t, and that tells you how much the United States military cares about lawfulness. If they treat something is clear-cut as this with such disregard, what makes you think they are treating anything else with earnestness?


29 posted on 12/14/2010 10:16:27 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
The military deserted him. He went through the proper channels to find out the lawfulness of the orders being given by Obama, and every person in the military who had the responsibility of following up is guilty of DERELICTION OF DUTY at the least because they refused to even check into it.

Another bit of nonsensical prose. We get rid of Obama through political means, not by convincing some clueless military doctor to commit professional suicide.

30 posted on 12/14/2010 10:18:03 AM PST by centurion316
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To: Smokeyblue

The following is the passage from Law of Nations that was used as the definition for a Natural Born Citizen by our Founding Fathers:

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Now what part of Vattel’s clear and concise Definition of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN do Communists, Socialists, Liberals and Democrats not understand?

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-ineligible-if-he-was-born-on.html


31 posted on 12/14/2010 10:22:09 AM PST by FS11
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To: butterdezillion

“How can he lawfully be charged under Article 92?”
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Well, gee, how come your hero Lakin and his crackerjack lawyer fell for that obvious scam?

Where was BZ when they needed him/her?


32 posted on 12/14/2010 10:24:16 AM PST by BigGuy22
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To: butterdezillion
Civilian court???

He is subject to UCMJ; different set of rules.

33 posted on 12/14/2010 10:24:35 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Guilty of being White.)
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34 posted on 12/14/2010 10:25:37 AM PST by LucyT (Merry, Merry Christmas.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

If this were true, then why would Obama fake an online COLB? Why doesn’t he show the copy he received from the HI DoH?

Miss Tickly has proven the online COLB is a forgery.

Obama’s ineligibility problem can be demonstrated by examing his SSA application for a SSN. From there, you’ll find Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization at the USCIS in Washington, D.C.


The state of Hawai’i also confirmed the validity of the Obama online COLB. The Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino testified under oath before the Hawai’i state Senate’s Committee on the Judiciary and Government Operations and she said the following: “For more than a year the Department of Health has continued to receive approximately 50 email inquiries per month seeking access to President Barack Obama’s birth certificate IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA POSTED A COPY OF THE CERTIFICATE ON HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN WEBSITE.” February 23, 2010
Lieutenant Colonel Lakin might have had some backup if any court in the nation had investigated a forgery complaint regarding the online COLB, but there has been no such investigation for forgery in any state or local jurisdiction.
There has also been no investigation in any state or local jurisdiction of Social Security fraud. Both forgery and Social Security fraud are felonies and qualify as high crimes for purposes of impeachment. There have been no criminal investigations. ANY prosecutor in the nation could have investigated these allegations. None have.


35 posted on 12/14/2010 10:26:55 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

“There has also been no investigation in any state or local jurisdiction of Social Security fraud. Both forgery and Social Security fraud are felonies and qualify as high crimes for purposes of impeachment. There have been no criminal investigations. ANY prosecutor in the nation could have investigated these allegations. None have.”

Dereliction of their duties does not exonerate the accused Usurper-In-Chief. It only makes them complicit.


36 posted on 12/14/2010 10:31:04 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: jamese777

“There has also been no investigation in any state or local jurisdiction of Social Security fraud. Both forgery and Social Security fraud are felonies and qualify as high crimes for purposes of impeachment. There have been no criminal investigations. ANY prosecutor in the nation could have investigated these allegations. None have.”

Dereliction of their duties does not exonerate the accused Usurper-In-Chief. It only makes them complicit.


37 posted on 12/14/2010 10:31:24 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion
The best he can hope for is to just get this over with as quickly as possible so he can appeal in the civilian courts the fact that his due process and 6th Amendment rights were grossly violated.

Someone who pleads guilty cannot thereafter appeal on those grounds. Pleading "guilty" means he is saying he is, in fact and law, guilty.

38 posted on 12/14/2010 10:32:33 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: centurion316
Setting aside the fact that Obama has spent millions (probably of our money) to avoid proving his legitimacy in court, what this debate is doing is keeping our attention away from the very real influences being applied upon our nation by the likes of his inner circle of advisers including, but not limited to: Wm. Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Valerie Jarrett, Van Jones, Tim Geithner and FCC Diversity Czar Mark Lloyd.

The background of building Obama's character by communist drug dealer Frank Marshall Davis and Chicago radical Saul Alinsky deserve far more attention than arguing about where he may have been born.

39 posted on 12/14/2010 10:34:23 AM PST by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: BigGuy22

This makes me want to spit on the United States military. I have never been so ashamed of this country at any point in my life. To have to sit down and grovel before Lind, to try to convince her that she’s holding up 3 fingers when he knows she’s holding up 1, is reminiscent of George Orwell’s “1984”.

I can’t stand this.


40 posted on 12/14/2010 10:35:07 AM PST by butterdezillion
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