Tax bill clears key hurdle in Senate (The 4:20 pm ET Vote 64 - 8)

msnbc ^ | December 13, 2010

[Red Steel]

Domenico Montanaro writes: *** UPDATE *** NBC's Ken Strickland reports based on preliminary vote tally the Senate has cleared the 60-vote threshold to advance the tax bill. The vote is still open. These are preliminary numbers

The Senate is voting on a key procedural vote on the tax cuts compromise bill; 60 was needed for passage.

[napscoordinator]

Thanks for the info. 79-10? Dang this is hugely bipartisan.

[Cedar]

If they waited til January to pass a bill, would it take effect immediately? Or months down the road? Think the main issue here is not letting people’s taxes increase on their first paycheck in Jan.

[AuH2ORepublican]

“Think the main issue here is not letting people’s taxes increase on their first paycheck in Jan.”

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That, and the markets tanking because people don’t know whether the biggest tax increase in U.S. history will go into effect.

[TexasFreeper2009]

I think stopping all the OTHER bills the democrats want to push through before Christmas brake is more important.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

Hey Im an Independent voter. You are preaching to the choir.
I do fully see the game playing beyond politics within and am watching very carefully. All’s Im sayin is that with the taxes decision due rightnow or some won’t eat or pay bills; this leaves the dems some slick playin room to slide in all of their garbage. I think all but a select few need voted out of there. The GOP had best grow some and stop the crap.

[Cedar]

I agree the Dems have taken huge advantage of the situation to throw stuff in. But GOP would have done the same thing in a reverse situation. Politics is bad for the country, no doubt.

But those voting have to weigh the balance, and looks like they mostly don't want those increases starting in January. Can't say I blame them. Difficult place to be in.

Maybe in the near future the tax rate cuts can be made permanant?

[Typical_Whitey]

What we need now is a Conservative that will get up and state plainly for the American people that Obama and the Democrats had declared that these tax cuts which were effectively titled as the Bush Economic plan that these same Democrats who chided Bush and blamed these same tax cuts on causing the economic crisis and everything inbetween are nothing but, liars and cheats, who now support the same economic policies that they lied about for these many years.

[cookcounty]

Please help me understand the following from the US Constitution, Article One:

"Section 7

1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

How can this bill originate in the Senate?????? Please educate me.

[Red Steel]

Ok, the bill did originate in the House.

"H.R.4853
Latest Title: Middle Class Tax Relief Act of 2010
Sponsor: Rep Oberstar, James L. [MN-8] (introduced 3/16/2010)      Cosponsors (5)
Related Bills: H.RES.1745, H.R.1512, H.R.3607, H.R.4217, H.R.4915, H.R.4957, H.R.5147, H.R.5611, 
H.R.5900, H.R.6190, H.R.6467, H.R.6473, S.3187
Latest Major Action: 12/2/2010 Resolving differences -- House actions. Status: On motion that the House agree with an amendment to the Senate amendment Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 234 - 188 (Roll no. 604).
Latest Action: 12/9/2010 Motion by Senator Reid to refer to Senate Committee on Finance the House Message with instructions to report back forthwith with amendment SA 4755 made in Senate."

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR04853:|/home/LegislativeData.php|

[Cheerio]

Don't revenue and tax policy bills have to originate in the House? If so, isn't this a backassward process?

[Blood of Tyrants]

Idiots. The GOP is serving us a shit sandwich and telling us how soft the bread is.

[Boardwalk]

4:20 really?

[SharpRightTurn]

“And now the RINOs are free to help the Democrats pass DREAM, DADT Repeal, and START. Reid might even have time to dust off the House’s Cap and Trade bill, and get that passed.”

Yep.

Mitch McConnell is no strategic thinker and he has done conservatives no favors in his negotiating.

[Red Steel]

The final vote was 83 to 15 for cloture.

[Tzimisce]

It sailed through the Senate?

This bill must SUCK!

[cookcounty]

"Ok, the bill did originate in the House."

"H.R.4853 Latest Title: Middle Class Tax Relief Act of 2010 Sponsor: Rep Oberstar, James L. [MN-8] (introduced 3/16/2010)

But that isn't remotely the same bill. So the Senate can take a House revenur bill , strip out all but a few sentences, add a raft of amendments that change 90% of it and still claim it originated in the House??

[VRWC For Truth]

Miotch has always been Soetoro’s biotch. The GOP so-called leaders in the Senate are RINO geldings.

[Red Steel]

Apparently...it is an end run around the Constitution.

[PghBaldy]

Bond markets did not like the package, and the ratings agencies are talking about downgrading the US if it passes. THAT is more important, in the end, than whether or not the stock market crashes.

[kindred]

Our forefathers knew the truth but rinos do not.

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.