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Does Obama’s nominee for head of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives oppose
Daily Caller ^ | 12/3/10 | Amanda Carey

Posted on 12/03/2010 1:32:15 PM PST by Nachum

Things had been looking up for gun-rights activists. In 2008, the Supreme Court ruled in D.C. v. Heller that Washington’s handgun laws were unconstitutional. In the summer of 2010, in McDonald v Chicago, the court expanded that ruling to apply to handgun laws in all 50 states.

Even President Obama seemed relatively open to Second Amendment rights, saying on the campaign trail: “I believe there is a Second Amendment right. I think it is an individual right. I think people have the right to lawfully bear arms.”

Now, it seems that when it comes to Obama and guns, he was for them before he was against them.

Last month, the president nominated Andrew Traver to be the new director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). But while gun-control advocates are lauding Obama’s nominee, others are worried Traver will implement strict gun rules by way of bureaucratic regulations rather than law.

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To: Oldpuppymax

“It is not possible to utterly enslave an armed people. The left has been aware of this for the better part of a century, hence the reason for its perpetual assault on the 2nd amendment”

No irony here. I don’t think the ultimate intent is enslavement but annihilation. The last century’s 100 million or so human deaths at the hands of their own governments was not an aberration. Each pogrom in the past was proceeded by a general disarming of the populace.


21 posted on 12/03/2010 3:41:34 PM PST by UnChained (l)
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To: xkaydet65

That’s all very well and good in theory.

The practical reality is that an agency like BATFE can destroy a person with a losing unConstitutional prosecution.


22 posted on 12/03/2010 3:46:01 PM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Nachum

He is such a rabid anti-gun activist that he was caught lying, or I guess cheating is closer to correct, on a TV show. He was trying to make people think the semi-auto rifles were full auto.

He probably didn’t technically lie but clearly intended to mislead.


23 posted on 12/03/2010 4:03:51 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Nachum
"Does Obama’s nominee for head of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives oppose the Second Amendment?"

Well, honestly, we are still a free nation, so it does not matter what he opposes. No matter what these assorted half-wit bureaucrats like or dislike, it's still in the Constitution, which is still the supreme law of the land and the foundation for our entire legal system and society. Every single judge out there who rules against a citizen exercising one of his unalienable rights, including and especially the right to keep and bear arms, knows full well that he is in the wrong, however he tries to justify it. They know they are violating their oaths of office and the letter and spirit of the Constitution. They can only do it for as long as people let them; those days are coming to an end slowly, but surely. If they want a showdown, I'm sure a few million patriots would oblige them; there are already plenty of people itching for a confrontation to settle things the right way. I double-dog dare them.

24 posted on 12/03/2010 4:26:33 PM PST by ronnyquest (Barack H. Obama is the Manchurian Candidate. What are you going to do about it?)
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To: Nachum
"Even President Obama seemed relatively open to Second Amendment rights, saying on the campaign trail: “I believe there is a Second Amendment right. I think it is an individual right. I think people have the right to lawfully bear arms.”

The thing to which we must pay attention is the context in which Obama places our unalienable right to keep and bear arms: within the context of law, his laws, and those of the states that try to supersede the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. They try to assert that man-made laws trump the unalienable right we have to be secure in our persons and property. They assert that government is giving that right within the context of government's laws, rather than being innate to our persons. The thinking is to cow people into believing that our rights come from government and, hence, are privileges bestowed by government, rather than unalienable rights that exist independent of the state. Whatever government gives, government can take away. It was a cleverly worded phrase, but deceptive and false.

25 posted on 12/03/2010 4:35:43 PM PST by ronnyquest (Barack H. Obama is the Manchurian Candidate. What are you going to do about it?)
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To: ronnyquest
"I think people have the right to lawfully bear arms.” "

It was a cleverly worded phrase, but deceptive and false."

Exactly. He does it often and thinks he is so brilliant that noboby knows when he does it. If you pay attention to the phrases he uses, they always have a double meaning. Pick the worst possible one for America and that is what he always means, not the obvious meaning but exactly the opposite. He hates us, and it shows. We are at war. We are the enemy.

26 posted on 12/03/2010 6:27:54 PM PST by Spitzensparkin1 (Arrest and deport all illegal aliens. Illegal is not a race - it is a crime. WhooRaah! Arizona!)
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To: Spitzensparkin1; ronnyquest; Nachum; M Kehoe
"...He hates us, and it shows. We are at war. We are the enemy..."

No, we are not the enemy, but we know who is ............... FRegards

27 posted on 12/03/2010 7:24:31 PM PST by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms .................. FRegards)
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To: Vaquero

Obama not only believes the Second Amendment exists to protect the right of the people to resist an illegitimate tyrannical government—he knows that to be true. That’s why he wants to disarm the people.


28 posted on 12/03/2010 8:14:33 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: supercat
That’s why he wants to disarm the people.

exactly

29 posted on 12/04/2010 4:58:29 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Nachum
The states and cities are simply ignoring the Heller decision by the SCOTUS - and they being allowed to get away with it.

When the horrific Roe vs. Wade decision found a glittering right to "privacy" in the Constitution that translated into a children being slaughtered, liberals took that ball and ran with it all the way into the godless endzone.

The states and cities don't want to affirm the right to gun ownership, so they are pressing ahead with their fascist tactics. The Court gave them a small "out", (reasonable laws), and they had to know that would be twisted and torn so wide that the states and cities could drive a truck through it.

So, this is what we are left with:

'Perfect Storm of Injustice'? N.J. Man Serving 7 Years for Guns He Legally Owned

30 posted on 12/04/2010 5:36:56 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: xkaydet65

Obama’s zeal for fundamental transformation acknowledges no constitutional restraints, else he would not be ruling, not governing, through his appointed but not subjected to Senate validation, parallel shadow government.


31 posted on 12/04/2010 10:10:51 AM PST by Elsiejay (.)
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To: Nachum

Not enough real Americans left to enslave. Roe v Wade, Kelo, no problem, just retreat a little more. If the SCOTUS had ruled otherwise and announced that 2A didn’t apply to individuals, who here would rebel?
Yeah, molon labe. When they come to your door you’ll resist. You’ll resist the tanks, flamethrowers, all that.
Paper tigers.


32 posted on 12/04/2010 10:18:08 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (We are under Looter Guy's looter government.)
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To: Nachum

A Communist. This is an Agency due for severe budget cts.


33 posted on 12/04/2010 12:11:31 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: Drumbo; dmcnash

*ping* to cartoon in #18

I like that one a lot!


34 posted on 12/04/2010 12:53:28 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: jessduntno

A modern twist to the joke is “Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives: That’s one helluva party!”

The BATFE recently changed their name and initials so all the ATF jokes are now obsolete.


35 posted on 12/04/2010 1:19:53 PM PST by NorthStarStateConservative (I'm just another disabled naturalized minority vegan pro life conservative.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Not shouting at you, but this is one of those issues that makes me absolutely nuts.

The armed populace is no match for the paramilitary police and a military stacked with illegals via the DREAM act. The left knows that it cannot overthrow the constitution. It will make a move via a coup. In order for this coup to succeed they would need for the military to either stand down, or join them. With a military stacked with illegals, with no allegiance to their fellow citizens would gladly step into this role and draw down on and shoot people to whom they have nothing but contempt.

The Obamabots are going to make their move...soon. Count on it.


36 posted on 12/04/2010 1:48:01 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: NorthStarStateConservative

“Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms should be a convenience store” is a belief, not a joke! Heh heh heh.


37 posted on 12/05/2010 8:57:53 AM PST by jessduntno (TSA: "Because screwing you with your pants ON just wasn't enough.")
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