-GySgt Harry Berres, USMC
After don't ask, don't tell is sacrificed at the altar of Political correctness, rockrr will likely rush out to enlist! He can carry his Seattle area flag along with his UN helmet.
Posted on 12/03/2010 4:39:40 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
Event marks war's anniversary
CHARLESTON -- The shots are solely verbal -- and expected to remain that way -- but at least one Civil War Sesquicentennial event is triggering conflict.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans plan to hold a $100-per-person "Secession Ball" on Dec. 20 in Gaillard Municipal Auditorium. It will feature a play highlighting key moments from the signing of South Carolina's Ordinance of Secession 150 years ago, an act that severed the state's ties to the Union and put the nation on the path to the Civil War.
Jeff Antley, who is organizing the event, said the Secession Ball honors the men who stood up for their rights.
"To say that we are commemorating and celebrating the signers of the ordinance and the act of South Carolina going that route is an accurate statement," Antley said. "The secession movement in South Carolina was a demonstration of freedom."
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People plans to protest the event, said Charleston branch President Dot Scott. She deferred further comment to Lonnie Randolph, president of the state NAACP.
"It's amazing to me how history can be rewritten to be what you wanted it to be rather than what happened," Randolph said. "You couldn't pay the folks in Charleston to hold a Holocaust gala, could you? But you know, these are nothing but black people, so nobody pays them any attention."
When Southerners refer to states' rights, he said, "they are really talking about their idea of one right -- to buy and sell human beings."
Antley said that's not so.
"It has nothing to do with slavery as far as I'm concerned," he said. "What I'm doing is honoring the men from this state who stood up for their self-government and their rights under law -- the right to secede was understood."
Antley said, "Slavery is an abomination, but slavery is not just a Southern problem. It's an American problem. To lay the fault and the institution of slavery on the South is just ignorance of history."
Antley said about 500 people are expected to attend the ball, which begins with a 45-minute play and concludes with a dinner and dancing. S.C. Senate President Pro Tem Glenn McConnell, an ardent Civil War re-enactor, is among the actors in the play. The actual ordinance of secession document also will be on display.
Randolph said the state NAACP is consulting with its national office in Baltimore regarding the format of the protests, which also could extend to other 150th anniversary events. "There is not one event that's off the table," he said.
Asked whether there could be good Sesquicentennial events, Randolph said, "If there were a dialogue to sit down and discuss that event 150 years ago and how it still negatively impacts the lives of so many people in this state and around the country, that would be a good discussion, but not an event to sit down and tell lies about what happened and glamorize those people who thought America was so sorry and so bad that they wanted to blow it to hell. That's what they did -- that's what they attempted to do, and we want to make that honorable?"
Charleston is receiving increased national attention as the nation's plans for the Sesquicentennial move forward. This was where it began, with the state becoming the first to secede on Dec. 20, 1860, and firing the first shot on April 12, 1861.
Most of the Lowcountry's Sesquicentennial events have been announced with little controversy -- many involve lectures by respected historians and scholars.
In its vision statement for the observance, the National Park Service said it "will address the institution of slavery as the principal cause of the Civil War, as well as the transition from slavery to freedom -- after the war -- for the 4 million previously enslaved African Americans."
Michael Allen of the National Park Service said he is aware of plans for the Secession Ball but noted that most Sesquicentennial events have found common ground among those with differing viewpoints.
"Now some people might be upset with some pieces of the pie. I understand that," he said. "I think that's the growth of me, as a person of African decent, is to realize that people view this in different ways."
Allen said other Sesquicentennial commemorations being planned will mark events that have a strong black history component, such as Robert Smalls' theft of the Confederate ship Planter and the 54th Massachusetts' assault on Battery Wagener.
"At least what's being pulled together by various groups, be they black or white or whatever, will at least be more broad based and diverse than what was done in 1961," Allen said. "Hopefully, at the end of the day, all Carolinians can benefit from this four-year journey."
Tom O'Rourke, director of the Charleston County Park and Recreation Commission, said Sesquicentennial organizers were fooling themselves if they thought the Confederate side of the story was going to be buried in the observances.
"I think there will be controversy, I think there will be hurt feelings, and I think that as this anniversary passes, we will question what else we could have done to tell the whole story," he said. "But I am OK with all of that. ... I think all discussion is progress."
Read more: http://www.thesunnews.com/2010/12/03/1847335/secession-ball-stirs-controversy.html#ixzz1737LSVRv
You have no claim on Missouri.. cityfied Chicago boy. Why would we surrender the home of the James boys? But, you can have those gang infested urban centers of Kansas City/ St. Louis.
Southern Missouri is ours, always has been.....
It's gonna be 308 or "seven point six two millimeter, full metal jacket" tonight. Would you like me to tenderly write your name on one of them?
Oh, and another veiled threat of personal violence from pokie. How nice. You haven't the brass to pull it off pokie.
Now sit like a good doggie.
That's right.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
“Even today though we see libertarians marching side by side with the Marxists and Progressives on a whole host of issues.”
You wanna back up this lie with something akin to FACT? You won’t because you CAN’T!!!
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”- Amendment X, Constitution for the United States (source: http://www.constitution.org/billofr_.htm)
I invite you to show me a single power delegated to the federal government here. There is not a single one, period. This amendment makes it clear to the most casual observer that ONLY the powers delegated in Sections I-III are available to fedgov to exercise. That’s it and that’s ALL. If there is no mention of secession, it’s not something at all for FedGov to have any say over whatsoever!!! Per the Tenth Amendment, it’s purely a power of the States and the People, the CREATORS of the federal government, not the other way ‘round.
I eagerly await your reply, complete with sources and cites.
“...but SC position was that the Constitution was a agreement between the federal government and state governments. “
I disagree. The Constitution was/IS an agreement BETWEEN THE PEOPLE/STATES that precedes AND CREATES the federal government. The federal government, being a creature of the Several States, has no authority to keep the States in the union by force of arms. Keep in mind that FedGov DID NOT EXIST at the time of the Constitutional Convention; only the STATES did. As did a deliberately VERY weak confederation government which did not even have the power to tax.
You’re mostly right, but let’s aim for accuracy in the face of the Philistines!
“Do you have a text in mind to support such a contention?”
Apparently not.
“Why should leaving be any different?”
Because leaving is NOT addressed as something the feds should be involved with. Simple, huh?
Thomas Jefferson to governor William Giles 1825:
"I see, as you do, and with the deepest affliction, the rapid strides with which the Federal branch of the government is advancing towards the usurpation of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic; and that, too, by constructions which, if legitimate, leave no limits to their powers. Take together the decisions of the federal court, the doctrines of the President, and the misconstructions of the constitutional compact acted on by the legislature of the federal branch, and it is but too evident, that the three ruling branches of that department are in combination to strip their colleagues, the State authorities, of the powers reserved by them, and to exercise themselves all functions foreign and domestic. Under the power to regulate commerce, they assume indefinitely that also over agriculture and manufactures, and call it regulation to take the earnings of one of these branches of industry, and that too the most depressed, and put them into the pockets of the other, the most flourishing of all. Under the authority to establish post roads, they claim that of cutting down mountains for the construction of roads, of digging canals, and aided by a little sophistry on the words “general welfare,” a right to do, not only the acts to effect that, which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think, or pretend will be for the general welfare. And what is our resource for the preservation of the constitution? Reason and argument? You might as well reason and argue with the marble columns encircling them. The representatives chosen by ourselves? They are joined in the combination, some from incorrect views of government, some from corrupt ones, sufficient voting together to out-number the sound parts; and with majorities only of one, two, or three, bold enough to go forward in defiance. Are we then to stand to our arms, with the hot-headed Georgian? No. That must be the last resource, not to be thought of until much longer and greater sufferings. If every infraction of a compact of so many parties is to be resisted at once, as a dissolution of it, none can ever be formed which would last one year. We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation. But in the meanwhile, the States should be watchful to note every material usurpation on their rights; to denounce them as they occur in the most peremptory terms; to protest against them as wrongs to which our present submission shall be considered, not as acknowledgments or precedents of right, but as a temporary yielding to the lesser evil, until their accumulation shall overweigh that of separation. I would go still further, and give to the federal member, by a regular amendment of the constitution, a right to make roads and canals of intercommunication between the States, providing sufficiently against corrupt practices in Congress, (log-rolling, &c.,) by declaring that the federal proportion of each State of the moneys so employed, shall be in works within the State, or elsewhere with its consent, and with a due salvo of jurisdiction. This is the course which I think safest and best as yet.”
If I were ever elected Governor of any state, we’d have a Constitutional crises in about 5 minutes flat. And this would be a good thing.
-GySgt Harry Berres, USMC
After don't ask, don't tell is sacrificed at the altar of Political correctness, rockrr will likely rush out to enlist! He can carry his Seattle area flag along with his UN helmet.
“Kind of funny how people who play the populist card with such ferocity love to dress up and cavort like the ruling elites of a slaveowning society.” (x)
Hmmmm.....guess you’d consider these people in Ohio kind of funny too:
If you browse their photos of previous balls, you’ll see both men and women in period attire. Yes, the blue uniform is prominent.
Reckon the Union leaders were just some guys who got together over beers in a garage? Could they have possibly been (gasp!) ruling elites? Surely there weren’t any professional politicians among them! And surely not a slave owner among them ever, oh, the horror!
I don’t find it necessary to try and psycoanalyse the folks having a ball in Ohio, I think they’re just honoring their past and having fun. Did it ever occur to you that it really can be just that simple?
You summed it up succintly in your first point:) The rest of the post....LMAO from the time I started reading!
Good to see ya! How've you been?
You shouldn’t talk about your neighbors like that. They can’t help having you in da hood...
LOL! They can't this time, there's way too many of us now:)
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