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Secession ball stirs controversy
The SunNews.com ^ | 12-3-2010 | Robert Behre Charleston Post

Posted on 12/03/2010 4:39:40 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

Event marks war's anniversary

CHARLESTON -- The shots are solely verbal -- and expected to remain that way -- but at least one Civil War Sesquicentennial event is triggering conflict.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans plan to hold a $100-per-person "Secession Ball" on Dec. 20 in Gaillard Municipal Auditorium. It will feature a play highlighting key moments from the signing of South Carolina's Ordinance of Secession 150 years ago, an act that severed the state's ties to the Union and put the nation on the path to the Civil War.

Jeff Antley, who is organizing the event, said the Secession Ball honors the men who stood up for their rights.

"To say that we are commemorating and celebrating the signers of the ordinance and the act of South Carolina going that route is an accurate statement," Antley said. "The secession movement in South Carolina was a demonstration of freedom."

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People plans to protest the event, said Charleston branch President Dot Scott. She deferred further comment to Lonnie Randolph, president of the state NAACP.

"It's amazing to me how history can be rewritten to be what you wanted it to be rather than what happened," Randolph said. "You couldn't pay the folks in Charleston to hold a Holocaust gala, could you? But you know, these are nothing but black people, so nobody pays them any attention."

When Southerners refer to states' rights, he said, "they are really talking about their idea of one right -- to buy and sell human beings."

Antley said that's not so.

"It has nothing to do with slavery as far as I'm concerned," he said. "What I'm doing is honoring the men from this state who stood up for their self-government and their rights under law -- the right to secede was understood."

Antley said, "Slavery is an abomination, but slavery is not just a Southern problem. It's an American problem. To lay the fault and the institution of slavery on the South is just ignorance of history."

Antley said about 500 people are expected to attend the ball, which begins with a 45-minute play and concludes with a dinner and dancing. S.C. Senate President Pro Tem Glenn McConnell, an ardent Civil War re-enactor, is among the actors in the play. The actual ordinance of secession document also will be on display.

Randolph said the state NAACP is consulting with its national office in Baltimore regarding the format of the protests, which also could extend to other 150th anniversary events. "There is not one event that's off the table," he said.

Asked whether there could be good Sesquicentennial events, Randolph said, "If there were a dialogue to sit down and discuss that event 150 years ago and how it still negatively impacts the lives of so many people in this state and around the country, that would be a good discussion, but not an event to sit down and tell lies about what happened and glamorize those people who thought America was so sorry and so bad that they wanted to blow it to hell. That's what they did -- that's what they attempted to do, and we want to make that honorable?"

Charleston is receiving increased national attention as the nation's plans for the Sesquicentennial move forward. This was where it began, with the state becoming the first to secede on Dec. 20, 1860, and firing the first shot on April 12, 1861.

Most of the Lowcountry's Sesquicentennial events have been announced with little controversy -- many involve lectures by respected historians and scholars.

In its vision statement for the observance, the National Park Service said it "will address the institution of slavery as the principal cause of the Civil War, as well as the transition from slavery to freedom -- after the war -- for the 4 million previously enslaved African Americans."

Michael Allen of the National Park Service said he is aware of plans for the Secession Ball but noted that most Sesquicentennial events have found common ground among those with differing viewpoints.

"Now some people might be upset with some pieces of the pie. I understand that," he said. "I think that's the growth of me, as a person of African decent, is to realize that people view this in different ways."

Allen said other Sesquicentennial commemorations being planned will mark events that have a strong black history component, such as Robert Smalls' theft of the Confederate ship Planter and the 54th Massachusetts' assault on Battery Wagener.

"At least what's being pulled together by various groups, be they black or white or whatever, will at least be more broad based and diverse than what was done in 1961," Allen said. "Hopefully, at the end of the day, all Carolinians can benefit from this four-year journey."

Tom O'Rourke, director of the Charleston County Park and Recreation Commission, said Sesquicentennial organizers were fooling themselves if they thought the Confederate side of the story was going to be buried in the observances.

"I think there will be controversy, I think there will be hurt feelings, and I think that as this anniversary passes, we will question what else we could have done to tell the whole story," he said. "But I am OK with all of that. ... I think all discussion is progress."

Read more: http://www.thesunnews.com/2010/12/03/1847335/secession-ball-stirs-controversy.html#ixzz1737LSVRv


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; civilwar; confederacy; dixie; history; itsaboutslaverydummy; kukluxklan; partyofsecession; partyofslavery; proslaveryfreepers; scv; secession; southcarolina; treason; whitehoodscaucus; whitesupremacists
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To: mojitojoe
The differences too great, division too wide, hatred grows daily, it’s time to cite irreconcilable differences and divorce peacefully.

That can never happen, because the Northern Conservatives(I use that term loosely) know without the South they are doomed. No, we are presented with RINO's every 4 years and have to do our duty and vote the "party". I say screw them. I agree we should depart this inglorious Union. In that scenario, how would justice not be served if DC were burned to the ground first?

241 posted on 12/03/2010 5:42:14 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mojitojoe
So post away from your moral high ground and condemn those that had the GUTS to secede, condemn those that joined their ancestors in desiring to live under a government of their choosing. People like you make me sick. I wish they would divide this country in half. It’s too damn big anyway. The differences too great, division too wide, hatred grows daily

well said. . . just don't know if they will let us go in peace. History just keeps repeating itself.
242 posted on 12/03/2010 5:42:33 PM PST by mstar (Happiness is a loaded gun under the cash register drawer when criminals visit your store)
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To: central_va

LOL LOL!!!!


243 posted on 12/03/2010 5:43:57 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: central_va
without the South they are doomed

yep and BTW that DC concept is interesting
244 posted on 12/03/2010 5:45:49 PM PST by mstar (Happiness is a loaded gun under the cash register drawer when criminals visit your store)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Just trying to figure out the borders.

No you're not.

As near as I can tell, pictures of cross-dressing men in top hats posted by people like Mo-joe are all right but ones posted by people like me are porn. Does that pretty much cover it?

I don't have children on this thread so I don't care what is posted. But you already knew that.

245 posted on 12/03/2010 5:49:09 PM PST by southernsunshine
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To: central_va

That’s what troubles them the most. They are afraid it will happen again and the South will leave. They have visions of cities that look like Haiti in yankeeland and their worst nightmare it then trying to flee to the South and getting entry refused.


246 posted on 12/03/2010 5:51:47 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: central_va
I agree we should depart this inglorious Union. In that scenario, how would justice not be served if DC were burned to the ground first?

What's stopping you, then? Can't find a lighter? You talk this big talk, but nothing ever happens.

247 posted on 12/03/2010 5:54:07 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: mojitojoe
They are afraid it will happen again and the South will leave.

ROTFLMAO!!!! No, I promise you we're not.

248 posted on 12/03/2010 5:54:45 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe
then trying to flee to the South and getting entry refused.

They'll have to go to Canada.

249 posted on 12/03/2010 5:54:58 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

That isn’t a gay sadism picture and this isn’t a fun music thread. I doubt any kids are on this thread and if you consider that risque compared to other pics here on FR, then you must really be living in the basement. Carry on.


250 posted on 12/03/2010 5:56:02 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Still pissed the mods removed your vulgar, gay torture pic aren’t you?


251 posted on 12/03/2010 5:56:46 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

You’ve got to admit that they resemble nothing more than a 5 year old with a hissyfit, saying that they were going to run away from home...this time they really mean it...don’t try and talk them out of it because it won’t work...they’re really going to do it...just watch...


252 posted on 12/03/2010 5:57:10 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Why would you ask? And if I said yes, I mind, you wouldn’t still save it. You’re just a weirdo. If I didn’t want you it saved, I wouldn’t post it.


253 posted on 12/03/2010 5:58:12 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Why would you ask? And if I said yes, I mind, you wouldn’t still save it. You’re just a weirdo. If I didn’t want it saved, I wouldn’t post it.


254 posted on 12/03/2010 5:58:31 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: southernsunshine

:)


255 posted on 12/03/2010 5:59:06 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
You talk this big talk, but nothing ever happens.

Who knows what's going to happen. We are reaching critical mass. Queers are about to take over the US military. A lot of people will be leaving the service. Most from the south. Maybe it will never happen, I have no clue. I do know the status quo cannot continue.

256 posted on 12/03/2010 5:59:39 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
saying that they were going to run away from home.

Running away is a Yankee trait.

257 posted on 12/03/2010 6:02:32 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mojitojoe
Still pissed the mods removed your vulgar, gay torture pic aren’t you?

Obviously I inspired you. But the answer to your question is no, I'm not pissed. I couldn't care less, to tell you the truth. You can run bawling to the mods any time you want. You did it on that picture. You did it when I posted - verbatim - from FReepmails you sent me. You bitch and moan and go crying to the moderators at the drop of a hat. But tis the Southron way.

But really, where do you go to find pictures like that? I swiped mine from a central_va post, but you? Do y'all cruise kinky websites and swap URLs? Are they linked to from SCV sites? Inquiring minds want to know.

258 posted on 12/03/2010 6:03:15 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

It’s why we come back again and again. It’s the best show in town.


259 posted on 12/03/2010 6:03:40 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: central_va
Running away is a Yankee trait.

Throwing in the towel is a Southron one.

260 posted on 12/03/2010 6:04:11 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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