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Gays in the military report: Outrage muffled by media [more on the Obama BIG LIE campaign]
Law Enforcement Examiner ^ | Dec. 1, 2010 | Jim Kouri

Posted on 12/01/2010 4:45:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance

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However, while administrative and "political" military personnel favor repealing the ban on gays, between 40 and 60 percent of combat troops surveyed said gays openly serving in combat would be a bad idea. 58 percent of those in combat responding negatively were Marines.

Former Marine Corps Commandant General James Conway has made clear in multiple interviews with the media that he and most Marines are against it and thought that it would harm combat effectiveness and unit cohesion. At one point, Conway even suggested separate quarters for gay service members.

Responding to the survey results, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., a Marine combat veteran, accused the Pentagon of creating a survey whose "criteria and lines of questioning" were created to "reach a predetermined outcome."

“If anything, the survey results make a compelling case for keeping current policy in place and avoiding any type of distraction for our nation’s military and its combat mission,” Hunter said. “When breaking down the specifics, more respondents answered unfavorably or remain uncertain about a policy change than those who favor repeal."

The defense secretary conceded that there are variances in the overall outcome of the survey when broken down to specific groups.

"Within the combat armed specialties and units, there is a higher level of discontent, of discomfort and resistance, to changing the current policy. Those findings and the potential implications for America's fighting forces remain a source of concern to the service chiefs and to me," Gates said.

"So Gates is admitting that the troops who are first to go into harm's way -- special forces units, Marines, etc. -- are the personnel uncomfortable with having openly gay soldiers, sailors and Marines serving in the U.S. military," said former U.S. Marine and police detective Sid Franes.

"But be certain the news media -- the Amen choir for liberal-left policies -- will not report on the large number of military personnel opposed to ending Don't Ask, Don't Tell. The idea is simple: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Anyone opposed to the gay agenda is subjected to Obama-mentor Saul Alinsky's political tactics," said Franes.

While [Alleged] President Barack Obama and his administration are calling for an end to the Bill Clinton-initiated "don't ask, don't tell" policy for gays and lesbians in the U.S. military, most Americans are being told only half the story.

Last month, several senior military leaders came forward to oppose repealing the ban on homosexuals serving in the military until a one-year study can be completed. This opposition contrasts significantly with Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Michael Mullen's expressed "personal belief" that the current policy should be overturned.

Marine Corps Commandant Conway expressed his fear as early as last May that the repeal effort will distract from the military's mission of protecting the nation. He explained, "My concern would be that somehow that central purpose or focus were to become secondary to the discussion."

Army Chief of Staff General George Casey agreed, saying, "I do have serious concerns about the impact of a repeal of the law on a force that is fully engaged in two wars." He added, "We just don't know the impacts on readiness and military effectiveness."

Meanwhile, Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz argued that now is not the time to repeal. "This is not the time to perturb the force that is, at the moment, stretched by demands in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere without careful deliberation," he said.

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KEYWORDS: dadt; fdrq; homosexualagenda; obama
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To: USS Alaska

FOX has been disgusting in their reporting about this.
As soon as they found out a queer released the classified documents they stopped covering that angle and now they are pushing this crap while ignoring that most combat troops do not want it.

As a combat vet the survey is pure bogus and no republican had better vote for this.


41 posted on 12/01/2010 7:13:37 AM PST by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. FOX and the media are pushing the queer agenda)
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To: Stayfrosty

As someone who is in right now I can honestly say it’s about half and half. A lot of young people right now, even if they disagree with homoesxuality don’t really seem to care if they are serving with them or not.


42 posted on 12/01/2010 7:14:46 AM PST by chargers fan
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To: manc
I agree that the survey is "bogus." A survey which gives the same weight to a response by a Spec. 4 personnel clerk stationed at the Pentagon and an infantry company First Sergeant in Afghanistan is on its face ludicrous when the subject is military efficiency. Military efficiency has a lot more to do with combat effectiveness than such things as the submission of morning reports without strike overs and erasures.

Most opinion surveys are structured to get the desired answers. Having reviewed the 267 page DOD report insofar as it pertains to the surveys, that is a possibility. Very few questions were asked separately of those in combat units and those respondents saw the impact on unit effectiveness as overwhelmingly toward the negative/very negative side.

This suggests to me the probably remote possibility that the survey was intended as something of a Trojan horse; it will certainly give those in the Senate who oppose repeal of DADT lots of useful ammunition. So will the muted opposition of the heads of the various military services.
The chiefs of the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Army disagree with the report's conclusion that the impact on combat readiness would be "low."
Regardless or perhaps due to all of the above, it seems highly unlikely that the Senate will vote on DADT repeal this session.
43 posted on 12/01/2010 9:55:33 AM PST by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: EternalVigilance; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; ...
How about separate armies.

Send the real army to kill people and break things and the open homosexuals to solve difficult interior decoration problems.

LOL!

44 posted on 12/01/2010 9:59:06 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: Joe Boucher; EternalVigilance

As a military widow, mother and grandmother, the concensus for the last 40+ years has been “NO WAY!!” Personnel and dependents do NOT want gays in the military.


45 posted on 12/01/2010 10:05:19 AM PST by Monkey Face (TSA: A government union for molesters.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Facts on Gays in the military -—

~ 2-4% of male soldiers are Gay
~ 40% of female soldiers are lesbos

Therefore the purpose of overturning Don't Ask, Don't Tell
is to fully incorporate lesboism into open military life!

46 posted on 12/01/2010 10:05:39 AM PST by TRY ONE (Another Beer Summit.....another day in Debt)
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To: nutmeg

What’s interesting about this is the marines and army infantry were against repeal- while the rest of the military seem sorta ok with it.

My experience has been primarily with infantry guys- and while some of them are sympathetic to the equal rights debate- they know what it takes in combat to have unit cohesion and are not in favor of repeal AT THIS TIME. They ALL say- maybe later when we’re not at war- we’ve got enough to do staying focused on the mission.


47 posted on 12/01/2010 10:05:51 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: nutmeg

Send the homosexuals to deal with the jihadists...they’ll all be happy.


48 posted on 12/01/2010 10:06:10 AM PST by Monkey Face (TSA: A government union for molesters.)
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To: John.Galt2012

I know...my husband received it and opted to not return it because of that consideration. Again, he doesn’t care who or what you screw, but he feels sexuality has no place in the discussion.

Do a good job and shut up about it. When it comes to doing your job, who cares what you do in bed!!


49 posted on 12/01/2010 11:31:30 AM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: EternalVigilance
How about separate armies.

Or, at least their own brigayde.

50 posted on 12/01/2010 11:46:29 AM PST by tnlibertarian (Hey D. C., tax increases are not spending cuts. Nor do tax cuts constitute increased spending.)
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To: All
I think it's time - even for the Military themselves - to start protesting Mr GAYs (ooops GAtes that is...) attempt to destroy the Military just so he can comply with "Hussein The HOMO-1 cheerleader"

Write your official and LET THEM KNOW we don't want this.

A HOMO can be soldier as long as I don't have to know about it!

51 posted on 12/01/2010 12:06:54 PM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: John.Galt2012

Good point John.Galt2012


52 posted on 12/01/2010 12:50:34 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) The more I see and know Obammy the more I think he's an a-hole.)
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