Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Beware a Hollow Air Force
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | November 22, 2010 | Michael Auslin

Posted on 11/22/2010 12:11:55 PM PST by neverdem

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last
The ground campaign in Operation Desert Storm in 1991 lasted four days.
1 posted on 11/22/2010 12:11:59 PM PST by neverdem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: neverdem

The Air Force’s strength is in delivering ordinance to the target. The ordinance should be at the basic level of physics. Reducing insurgents and problem countries to their basic elements is the final solution. Use it.


2 posted on 11/22/2010 12:17:53 PM PST by Gaffer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
the Air Force has sometimes suffered from an inferiority complex.

Perhaps when they go to build AF bases they should start with the runways and maintenance buildings instead of the golf courses.

3 posted on 11/22/2010 12:18:03 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
Maybe the AF needs to go back to 'fly then fix' procurement. And stop gold-plating new development. That would go a long way to solving the problem.

I'm not hostile to the USAF. I served 12 years in it. But the corporate culture has to change.

/johnny

4 posted on 11/22/2010 12:20:31 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem; LucyT

Ping to LucyT. FYI


5 posted on 11/22/2010 12:21:18 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jet Jaguar

Ping.


6 posted on 11/22/2010 12:22:51 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Yet not a word about the senior service.

7 posted on 11/22/2010 12:23:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. ~Mencken)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
The ground campaign in Operation Desert Storm in 1991 lasted four days.

My Respect for the Air Force does not require me to accept what you suggest.

Years of nation building and teaching democracy was never supposed to be the mission of my Marine and Army brothers.

The USAF is hardly unappreciated or under funded. Every since the branch was started with a break from tradition, they often lead in change. I am not sure they will be the first branch to become gay friendly, that's just the way the bets are being placed.

8 posted on 11/22/2010 12:34:48 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Yet not a word about the senior service."

You will get noticed when you get your butts kicked in the Army Navy game coming up... : )
9 posted on 11/22/2010 12:44:07 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

We are being pennywise and dollar foolish by not going forward with the F-22 program. Not only is Gates and Obama responsible, but Juan McCain gave them political cover by coming out in support of the buys of 187 planes earlier this year...


10 posted on 11/22/2010 12:46:40 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
"...their lack of traditions..."

Bring back MAC,SAC and TAC would be a good start. McPeak was a bonehead.

11 posted on 11/22/2010 12:56:14 PM PST by Red Dog #1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants

A friend of mine worked in the Pentagon in the late 80s. I recall him saying the USAF was p!ssed that, unlike everything else, it couldn’t buy tradition.


12 posted on 11/22/2010 1:25:12 PM PST by Jacquerie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants

Your comment may apply to heavy drivers but in the CAF I know of very few pilots who do much but fly and take care of their units. Most normal days are at least 10 hours and often run into 12 hours. Support troops have been cut back by ridiculous numbers and the pilots fly plus run the units and all the administrative work. Most of these guys are making just above minimum wage if their compensation is divided by the hours they work.

The guys on the line and in the wings work their butts off to keep airframes older than they are in the air and sweat bullets to baby the planes to keep them combat ready.

The USAF has blown the procurement mission on the F-22 costs and the F-35 pace and cost, blew it on the tanker contracts as well. Procurement and project management is f’ed up in a major way. Heads should roll in a big way starting at the top.

Maybe the support shoe salesmen in the AF play enough golf to register but the country club atmosphere is gone from the CAF. Your quip is not appreciated.


13 posted on 11/22/2010 1:27:15 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

The Navy is also becoming hollow. Programs that are failures — LCS, DDG-1000, EP-X, CG(X), F-35, smallest number of ships since 1933, San Antonio class disaster ... we are going to get our asses kicked come next war. But that’s ok because unions will still be gettng billions from the Democrats.


14 posted on 11/22/2010 1:34:33 PM PST by pabianice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
Curtis Lemay started a great tradition.

Too bad the the fighter jocks took control when ACC stood up and trashed much of what the Air Force was about. They had to have cheap looking leather jackets and scarves rather than building a solid military background that reveled in the traditions that started back in WWII.

15 posted on 11/22/2010 1:36:55 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kbennkc

I believe Stargate SG-1 has been the USAF’s most successful recruiting tool.


16 posted on 11/22/2010 1:37:12 PM PST by pabianice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Sequoyah101

I find it simply insane that the AF has paid tens of billions for the development of the F-22 and F-35 (Have they delivered ANY F-35s to date?). Also, from many accounts, the F-22’s competitor, the YF-23, was the superior aircraft but politics chose the winner.


17 posted on 11/22/2010 2:10:32 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: kbennkc
"The apotheosis of U.S. air power came in Operation Desert Storm in 1991, when the air war against Saddam Hussein’s million-man army reduced his forces to a shadow of their former selves, and allowed the U.S. Army and Marines to win the ground war in just three weeks."

The ground campaign in Operation Desert Storm in 1991 lasted four days.

"My Respect for the Air Force does not require me to accept what you suggest."

You can look it up. He confused the ground offensive of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003 with the ground offensive of Operation Desert Storm in 1991 which was called off after 100 hours. I checked before I wrote my initial statement.

Operation Desert Storm

18 posted on 11/22/2010 2:35:32 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: kbennkc
My Respect for the Air Force does not require me to accept what you suggest.

Then listen to a Marine that was on the ground over there.

100 HOURS ... that's how long the ground war lasted.

40 days and 40 nights ... that's about how long the Air Force rained bombs like the Iraqi's were Noah's contemporaries ....

Thank God for the Air Force as they made it a LOT easier for us on the ground.

19 posted on 11/22/2010 2:46:24 PM PST by Centurion2000 (WTH happened to my country?? I joined the Marines and defended the USA and it degenerates into this?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

I noticed that too. The 100 hour war it was called.


20 posted on 11/22/2010 6:20:19 PM PST by BBell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson